Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile

[Gregory]

The SMOT. Basically a very simple device, and the same time the most desputed by people. If my understanding is right, in the case of SMOT, the ball rolls "freely", so it does some work, and the source of the energy for this movement is only magnetism, permanent magnets. The ball runs for "free", by the magnets, without any other energy input from outside, but it only moves to the strongest position of the magnetic field. After that point, the ball can't escapes and stops moving. Or even if you can force it somehow to escape, the ball remains unable to return to the initial position.

So, the ball runs on a period only, and you must take it, and return to the starting position to make it run once more. This is the problem with this simple device, however this is not change, that the ball runs freely on a period. It periodically can produce a few work, but doesn't too useful, because can't repeat it by itself.
On the other hand, I think, it is not the problem of the SMOT, it is a problem of the person, who use it.
I believe the unsuccess is only the lack of talents and knowledge to use the device in the right way, and right construction.

I'm personally not intersted in the simple SMOT too much, but it is a good toy.
In my opinion the SMOT is very similar to the steel ball, which is falling in the gravity field. It has quite similar properties. You can take it to a height and release it, and the ball will fall to the ground where stops. "If the ground isn't present", the ball will continue to fall to the center of the globe, and stops there as the ball of the SMOT stops at the end of the gate. Almost the same.

For one, as far as I can see now, it will not be straightforward to use Finsrud's machine for that purpose. I'm trying to find a definitive non-destructive protocol and it seems there alway will be something that would undermine it as far as Finsrud's machine is concerned.

I think the SMOT doesn't better for that purpose. Maybe easier and more simple, but doesn't better. I think Finsrud's machine is more promising than a simple SMOT, and more difficult for your purpose, but perhaps can be better. The underminings are typical.

I wonder if you?re following the discussion in the Steorn forum regarding Finsrud?s machine.

I read that forum, when you posted the link to it. I wasn't too satisfied about it, but I think I'm going to follow it some time. I like to mention again, it is a good plan to do all the experiments, what you wrote, on Finsrud's machine.

Best Regards,

[Gregory]

Omnibus, can I ask you to do a little thing for me?

When you speak to, or meet with Finsrud next time?
Can you suggest for him to try to make, or only think about a device, which operates on gravity only? (when the time and the atmosphere is good to suggest this thought)

I have an impression, that he is the right man to think about it. And I believe, after some time he will be able to do it, if he want.

Anyway, Does he want to make other "moving arts" soon?

Thanks,

[Omnibus]

@Greg,

Finsrud showed me a number of devices which he has made throughout the years, including purely gravity ones. Very interesting. He has been into this for over 30 years. The experience withe these devices has led him to the machine in question. I didn't remain with the impression that he has another working device, though.

[Omnibus]

@All,

This is the updated version of the protocol:


A simple protocol which will prove conclusively that Reidar Finsrud?s device is a true perpetual motion machine.


Here are the two crucial experiments to be carried out:

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1) One of the three small magnets hanging over the track is to be removed and the device with its original steel ball will be set in motion by one of the participants in the test, not by Finsrud. The working device, lacking the mentioned magnets, will be videotaped (recording also the sound in addition) for a period of several hours during which acceleration of the ball should be observed if this is a true perpetuum mobile and not just an efficient re-distributor of the initially imparted energy.

2) At a separate experiment a non-magnetic stainless steel sphere of diameter 2.7?? weighing approx. 820g (as is the diameter and the weight of the original sphere) will be used instead. If this non-magnetic sphere stops its motion shortly after the initial push, this will disprove categorically that there is a switching mechanism which triggers a hidden mechanical or electrical source during the functioning of the machine and will prove that the role of the magnets is not only decorative but they actually drive the device.
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These are redundant experiments that may or may not be performed:

a) In order to insure that there is no hidden energy source of any kind (mechanical, electrical etc.) the machine has to be stopped and have it reach a complete rest. It should stay in this state for not less than, say, a half hour. A digital video-camera fastened on a tripod will videotape it. A redundant tape recorder will also be used to record the sound of the machine at rest. If nothing moves and no sounds from the machine are heard this should serve as a proof that there is no hidden source of energy at least prior to starting the device. Attention should be paid also during the time the device is restarted. All will be videotaped and the video will be a proof that there?s no foul play.

b) To insure the overhead lights are not the external energy source driving the machine they have to be turned off for at least one hour during the functioning of the machine. During that time the videotaping of the machine will be done with the light source of the video camera. Also, a separate digital audio recording will be carried out.

c) As a redundant experiment, a sensitive field-meter, will be used to measure telltale electromagnetic signals from eventual hidden electrical source. Possibly a compass will be placed near the apparatus which will be videotaped. Lack of such telltale signals will be a proof, in addition to the result from the experiment with the non-magnetic ball, that there is no hidden electrical source of energy driving the machine.

[Gregory]

Well designed protocol Omnibus, I like it.
Point 2 is very good! A must. I wonder what will happen in the case of the non-magnetic ball. I guess the machine will stop.

Well done, waiting for the new results, and videos.
Thanks for your time, work, and persistence to do all these things.

I think the most important thing is to find out exactly how the machine works, and what does it do while it works.

Good luck!

P.S.: I hope Finsrud is going to create some new devices.