Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile

[ElectroGravityPhysics.com]

I recently visited Finsrud at his art gallery in Norway, and talked for many hours about his machine. Finsrud told me very clearly in Norwegian (I also happen to speak Norwegian): 

"the machine will not run more than 14 days, and right now without tuning it will not run more than 2 days.  The machine is not made for perpetual motion, but is simple an experiment in Physics."

I am not sure why people are twisting the facts and making this into a perpetual motion, or over-unity machine - when the inventor himself says it is not.  I saw the machine running with my own eyes, and the speed of the ball slows down - just as Mr. Finsrud pointed out, while I was there.

The machine might be an efficient "pendulum clock" of sorts, but it eventually runs out of steam and certainly does not produce excess energy. 

I find Mr. Finsrud to be a down-to-earth and creative personality, with many interests in both art, science and politics.  He has also built a full miniature city with mirrors, cars, trains, people and lights, but it has nothing to do with Physics.

-Nils

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I recently visited Finsrud at his art gallery in Norway, and talked for many hours about his machine. Finsrud told me very clearly in Norwegian (I also happen to speak Norwegian): 

"the machine will not run more than 14 days, and right now without tuning it will not run more than 2 days.  The machine is not made for perpetual motion, but is simple an experiment in Physics."

I am not sure why people are twisting the facts and making this into a perpetual motion, or over-unity machine - when the inventor himself says it is not.  I saw the machine running with my own eyes, and the speed of the ball slows down - just as Mr. Finsrud pointed out, while I was there.

The machine might be an efficient "pendulum clock" of sorts, but it eventually runs out of steam and certainly does not produce excess energy. 

I find Mr. Finsrud to be a down-to-earth and creative personality, with many interests in both art, science and politics.  He has also built a full miniature city with mirrors, cars, trains, people and lights, but it has nothing to do with Physics.

-Nils

Nils,

If it ran for several years, so from where did the machine get the energy from? Even running for two days are more than what we can expect from a mechanical deivice of this relatively small size.

I do not say the machine is a perpetual motion machine, or a machine which creates energy from nothing. I think strongly there is kinetic energy applied to this machine in one way or another. Maybe Finsrud know this, but what is the point in explaining how it actually works, when a mysterious and possible incomplete, but yet reasonable and still interesting explanation will do?

I have to make my own theory of operation - beyond Finsruds own explanations. It can be everything from thermal energy to kinetic energy due to gyroscopic energy applied by the rotating earth. The last option is very very weak energy for this size, but might be sufficient to make a selfrunner when adjusted properly.

When Finsrud applied that extra rail to the bicycle rims, the stiffness and mass changed. The altitude of the track changed. So maybe 12 new years have to be spent to adjust the machine properly again. Who knows.

As yourself, I was invited into Finsrud micro world with cities, hills, walking people, a small fish pond, mirrors and sounds. But I did the whole time had the "Perpetuum mobile" in mind. Whish I could be brave enough to ask Finsrud if I could try to start the machine myself. I'm afraid the answer will be a definite NO

I will visit his gallery again. It is not far away - just 1.5 hours driving.

Vidar

[ElectroGravityPhysics.com]

If it ran for several years, so from where did the machine get the energy from? Even running for two days are more than what we can expect from a mechanical deivice of this relatively small size.

The Finsrud machine is started - just like any pendulum clock - with the hand and setting the mass in motion. 

Most people do not realize it requires energy to lift an object off the ground, and/or set a heavy metal ball into motion...

-Nils

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But those who realize you have to put in some energy, also realize it will stop quite fast and not running for weeks or months. So the first part is easy to understand. The second part is hard to understand. And that is also my point. Given all the moving parts, friction, etc., it is hard to understand the time spand without knowing how it can run for so long time.

[ElectroGravityPhysics.com]

But those who realize you have to put in some energy, also realize it will stop quite fast and not running for weeks or months. So the first part is easy to understand. The second part is hard to understand. And that is also my point. Given all the moving parts, friction, etc., it is hard to understand the time spand without knowing how it can run for so long time.

Yes, I agree.  Mr. Finsrud has a very low friction device, so it can run for a few days (not months) without stopping.  It is impressive that he can do that.

However, a low friction (knife) bearings with a pendulum can run for a very long time (perhaps days) - just like the one used in the Finsrud machine.

Additionally, it would not surprise me if Finsrud is coupling the force used to push a pendulum around a circle from the rotating Earth into an extra push effect in his machine. 

Here is a science pendulum used to detect the rotation of the Earth.  It is quite amazing to watch, if you have never seen this effect in real life.  When you are standing still on the surface of the Earth, you have no idea your body is actually rotating around a full turn - once per 24 hour.

http://www.3bscientific.com/Oscillations/Foucault-Pendulum-115-V-50-60-Hz-U8403000-115,p_83_110_576_1988.html

-Nils