Finsrud's Perpetuum Mobile

[AnandAadhar]

Here are some drawings I made. I need more pics to finish/correct.
The last drawing is just because the replica I saw of it was a joke. The angles while not right, yet alone aligned. Was not to scale on any level. It was like watching someone put an engine together wrong and then wonder why is does not work. When then pistons are miss aligned or the timing is off. Please do it right or not at all. Because it is only a hindrance! I'm not trying to sound mean, just making an important point.

Ah, wait a minute, now I understand. With 'the last drawing' you refer to my replication of the 'hammer' design. Well, that is not Finsrud but another inventor/artist/impression maker called George Delk. Delk is discussed at http://www.overunity.com/8568/new-magnet-powered-perpetual-motion-machine/nowap/#.USSdD44QPIc Nobody ever succeeded in getting any sensible information from Delk about his kinetic artwork. He never said it was a working perpetuum mobile. He proposed his thing with a question mark. He said somewhere that it was running for three years. I tried something and posted it. He responded by saying:

"Very nice job. I especially like the pivoting side magnets. Possibly weight above the pivot point of the pendulum is needed. The design that I am now working on uses very small neodymium magnets and extremely lightweight materials. They do take considerable time to built and adjust."

Nobody could copy his result without cheating, as far as I know, nor did we see his latest 'lightweight neodymium version'.
By the way, see also this failed attempt to replicate Delk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=iduT53y0sxY


Concerning your grumpy remarks about my work here I posted another question at Delk's Youtube page about it. Maybe he will answer this, but I doubt it. Artists as a rule never properly answer questions about their work because they exploit the illusion they create.

He in 2010 wrote:

"Actually, it has been runnning for almost three years now. Thank you for the 4 stars. If your friend can produce these and sell them profitably, more power to him. It does invite interesting conversation. Cheers"

Yes, 'conversation' he says. That is his idea of his effect... That is not very serious if you would be breaking the known laws (or principles) of nature with this thing... So he throws you in doubt. He plays a game so it seems. Or it his psychology of coping with his own genious... and that latter supposition I give little credence.

But, admitted, what I did could be done better, you are right, better magnets, better angles, alignment, proportions, weights  etc., and maybe I will try a better replication even though, as I said in my Youtube movie about it, I cannot see any reason why the damn thing shouldn't stop in the middle... apart from the idea that the magnetic gravitational action of the sliders is overruling the pendulum action and thus breaks away from the laws of thermodynamics and the dead middle.  If Delk would have defended it as perpetual motion, I would have tried better.... but he did not. And without the claim it is still "considerable time to build and adjust" He responded more like an artist interested in likewise renderings of this created illusion. For how can you replicate a PM claim that is not proposed actually?

Thanks for opening this discussion again. You ask me to do it right or not at all, and I will give it a try again maybe..., but do not hesitate to do something yourself right too. Don't point your finger at me. This blog is not just for armchair nerds who themselves try nothing in reality. Passive bystanders have easy commenting, but no right to speak actually. But okay, you are virtually involved and committed now, thanks, and lets be friends on this. Delk's is certainly an easier thing to replicate than Finsrud's.

links and description about Delk and my 'clumsy failing' with it:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Perpetual_Magnetic_Pendulum_by_George_Delk
Delk's only presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjNbjhxgt4


Another interesting candidate of an almost Perpetual Motion is this balancing pendulum (see picture) making 40.000 oscillations/day which does seemingly better than Finsrud running for longer than a life time on about two billionths(!) of an amp:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZDxzaNsI7Q

[ace569er]

I was actually referring to you, yes. Just kind of felt bad saying it, but still felt, it needed to be said. Like I said though, I was referring to the last drawing only. The hammer one. Which still may need a cheater magnet to run.  First an exact replica must be made. Then there is the time to calibrate it, which will be rough. To be able to rule it out.

[ace569er]

OK, I like the second replication. It more or less killed my desire to build it...It even appears to move at the same angle of degree. Thanks for the vid. That last one doesn't do much for me. Can't think of a way to draw work from it. Nor do I find it appealing art wise. It's is a very good design though.
   I have been testing the 12 magnet placement(if it is even 12). For the base in Finsrud's Main forth pendulum. I think I might have their placement. Most likely not, but from what I test I think maybe. Sadly I'd have to build it. To rule out, that my powered, simulation of the spring torque, and outer pendulums can run the center one. Then in return themselves. In which I do not see me getting the pieces I'd need to make it any time soon. So if any one wants this Sketchup file, let me know.

[AnandAadhar]

OK, I like the second replication. It more or less killed my desire to build it...It even appears to move at the same angle of degree. Thanks for the vid. That last one doesn't do much for me. Can't think of a way to draw work from it. Nor do I find it appealing art wise. It's is a very good design though.
   I have been testing the 12 magnet placement(if it is even 12). For the base in Finsrud's Main forth pendulum. I think I might have their placement. Most likely not, but from what I test I think maybe. Sadly I'd have to build it. To rule out, that my powered, simulation of the spring torque, and outer pendulums can run the center one. Then in return themselves. In which I do not see me getting the pieces I'd need to make it any time soon. So if any one wants this Sketchup file, let me know.

Share what you have, the more we know the greater the chance of success in this matter.

[ace569er]

Here you are. Please fix anything you think is off and send it to me. I'll try to compile the ideas together. Hope enough people, do it. There is a few things I am not happy with, mainly the wire, pendulum tripper. I can't get the angles to match the distance...... So something is wrong. Also I don't see how the base is separated from the, track support, arms and attached the spring. So the track can tilt. Would love feed back from anyone who has seen it in person. The file is a compressed sketch up file, enjoy.