Conventional current flow VS Electron current flow

[Dave45]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txmKr69jGBk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_8Gc_Llr8
Would you say the charge is only moving in one direction, try both

[MileHigh]

Dave:

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink

Please tell me what your "charged" coils do and how they are different from high-potential mylar balloons.

You are confusing the alleged ether with negatively and positively charged ions.  Just the wind is creating ions all the time.  Big deal.

You should read up on ionization, static eliminators, air purifiers educate yourself a little

That has absolutely nothing to do with how a coil works.  You are deflecting.

Quoting myself:  "The real issue:  Do you want to post a simple normal circuit and go through the exercise of making a timing diagram for it?"

You are running away from this question.  You have been pondering this stuff for five years but you are afraid to broach the issue of constructing a timing diagram for a simple circuit.  No timing diagram equals no understanding and self-imposed ignorance.  You won't drink.  It's a shame and it's why scammers can get away with stealing other people's money all the time.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Dave:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_8Gc_Llr8
Would you say the charge is only moving in one direction, try both

I would say that there are positive and negative ions in the smoke and that they are attracted to their respective plates.

Now, lets say there is a negative plate on the left and a positive plate on the right.  In between you have the ionized candle smoke.

The positive ions will be attracted to the negative plate therefore will move to the left.  That means conventional current is moving to the left.

The negative ions will be attracted to the positive plate therefore will move to the right.  That means conventional current is moving to the left.

Holy crap Batman, in both cases conventional current is moving to the left.  There is a negative plate on the left and a positive plate on the right.  Conventional current flows from positive to negative, so that means to the left.

See Dave, the big "brain leap" is to note that positive ions moving to the left represent the same current flow direction as negative ions moving to the right.  It's the big "brain leap" that you and others can't cope with with respect to conventional current flow and how it doesn't make a damn difference in the world when it comes to analyzing the behaviour of circuits, which is what it's all about.

And that brings us back full circle where you can't produce a timing diagram for a simple circuit, and therefore you don't understand the operation of the simple circuit, including the operation of the coil in the simple circuit.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txmKr69jGBk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_8Gc_Llr8
Would you say the charge is only moving in one direction, try both

The first one has nothing to do with ionization. The induced eddy currents in the plate cause an opposite magnetic field and the two fields repel and produce the levitation. The induced eddy currents also dissipate lots of power in the plate so you can cook on the levitated plate.

The second one is a standard demonstration, I first saw in high school sometime in the last century. Yes, a flame is a plasma, with both positive and negative ions. So? Positive ions are attracted to the more negative plate, and negative ions are attracted to the more positive plate. Do you have enough information in the video to decide which plate is more positive than the other one?
I was waiting for the guy to accidentally touch one of the plates with his hand.... even though there isn't much energy in the output of that machine, he's still in grave danger if he takes the discharge from one hand to the other across his chest. He's violating the first rule of HV experimentation: keep one hand in your pocket at all times.

Here's a demo of an electrostatic oil jet coming off the top of a tiny VDG machine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2lTeGH-lws

And here's me, taking a 30 kV shock across my chest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpemKuf6X_c
Fortunately for me there was not a lot of energy behind that jolt.

[Dave45]

 MH
So what do you think a timing diagram is going to prove.
you do the timing diagram and do it for both voltage and the current
then do the actual experiment

whats it going to prove, nothing

MrT
Yea the first vid has nothing to do with ionization just thought it was cool