Mag Mirror Engine

[Floor]

@tinman

Honestly and with out any grudge, I would appreciate it, if for the record, you would please
retract OR other wise state for the record, that it was in error,  that you initially posted

                               "Tried this one some years back". 

As your design and the design which I am presenting, differ significantly.

                                awaiting your reply

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[tinman]

@tinman

Honestly and with out any grudge, I would appreciate it, if for the record, you would please
retract OR other wise state for the record, that it was in error,  that you initially posted

                               "Tried this one some years back". 

As your design and the design which I am presenting, differ significantly.

                                awaiting your reply

                                        floor

Im not sure where i have made the error Floor?
If i understand correctly how your design work's- the magnet's are attracted to the shield,and pulled toward it. Then the shield is removed,and the two magnets repel each other->is this correct?. If so,that is exactly how my design worked,and is based around the very same principal-only that it has a rotational shield design.
If not,i do retract my statement as such.

[Floor]

@Tinman

Quote from tinman

" Im not sure where i have made the error Floor?
If i understand correctly how your design work's- the magnet's are attracted to the shield,and pulled toward it. Then the shield is removed,and the two magnets repel each other->is this correct?. If so,that is exactly how my design worked,and is based around the very same principal-only that it has a rotational shield design."

Here is the difficulty I am having with our communications.

1. First, You diminish the study / experiment  I have proposed, by claiming that it's old hat.

                 "Tried this one some years back. "

"My findings were that it takes as much force to remove the iron sheet from between the two magnet's,
as the repelling force of the two apposing magnets gives back."

While at the same time you make a claim of "findings" (not actually presented) of your own.

2. I demonstrate that Your "findings"  would be in fact, be a validation of my idea.

Force 1.  Magnets A and B each attract to Iron sheet E.
Force 2.  Force needed to extract iron sheet E from both A and B
Force 3.  Repulsion of A to B after the extraction of E from between them.

If force 1 <>  force 2, then there is not balance and there is the potential for work ?
If force 2 <> force 3 , then there is not balance and there is the potential for work ?

If force 1 plus  force 3 = force 2 then definitely, neither force 1 or force 2 alone can be equal to force 2.

If force 1 = force 2 then force 3 is excess
If force 3 = force 2 then force 1 is excess

You completely fail to address this and instead change tak.

3.

"When i built my design that works on a similar principle as your setup,"

You then continue with a some what vague description of your "design", and cruse right on past
any discussion of the fact that your  "findings "  are a validation.

You change from "Tried this one" TO "my design that works on a similar principle"
and then again TO "that is exactly how my design worked"

Which is it ?

Will you actually present these findings ?

I have made no claim.  My hypothesis is backed up with sound logic.  Your claim is backed by nothing.

Yes I have a problem with this.


4. " Im not sure where i have made the error Floor"

In light of our previous encounters, I have good reason to be questioning of,  both your intentions
and your integrity. 

Other readers of this topic, might view the topic "Over Unity how to get there" (started by floor) as well as
the "off shoot" topic created by Tinman Over Unity  ? some thing or another ?  I don't recall.

Every one has a bad day once in a while.  Did we just got off on the wrong foot in our previous encounter ?

Convince me your input is worth my time, and not just a set up, or go away.

Sorry, but you've earned it, make up for it, own it, or take it some where else.

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[Floor]

Quote from TinMan

"But something happens when you create a bucking field,and then try to remove the shield from between the two magnets. It some how seems that the two magnets now has a pull force on the shield of 4 magnet's. "

I think probably that this observation is not correct / accurate ?

Otherwise, this in it's self "Seems" to be  OverUnity from opposing two magnets. Is it ?

Quote from Tinman

"When you place two magnets together in oposition,the field expands out far more than it
would with just 1 magnet. So this means that the distance that the shield has to be moved
to be out of the magnetic field,is far greater,and ofcourse requires an applied force for a greater
time to remove the shield over that greater distance. "

Why is this a problem?  Unless the force of 2 magnets actually has increased to the force of 4 mags (or whatever amount).

Think about it.  If the force has extended farther, there  must be more force ? , or,  more force in one region and
less force in some other region. ? 

and there fore also less force,  if even though it is over a greater distance, ... or OverUnity.

In general

force A x distance B = (1/2 force A) x (2 x distance B)

However this formula is too simple, given that the magnetic forces decrease with distance.

inverse square "law"

What ever the case,  It's some what off topic, given that it's not the design I'm investigating.

Although both designs involve the use of magnets,
Although both designs involve magnetic attractions an repulsions

Any two perm. magnets interacting,  involves both attraction and repulsion



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[Floor]

I considered restarting the topic, since it got a little muddied with bad science / bad vibes.

But I'm not going to, at this point.

Please find below the "MirrorEngine4. PDF file.

It goes a little farther into the project.

                  Best wishes to ALL

                             floor