Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

[MarkE]

90 degree phase shift between voltage and current means zero average transferred power.  You want that for the input.  On the output you definitely want something other than 90 degrees, such that you actually deliver net power to the load.

[Farmhand]

Ok Mark I did kind of gather that, so at any point between the supply and the load if there is a phase difference between voltage
and current of 90 degrees then average power transferred is zero so theoretically the load consumes no power from the supply.

If you look at my 90 degree scope shot there is more area under the zero line than there is above it, but I cannot recall if I had the
current phase inverted or not, I think I should have. Anyway it must represent some power transferred to the load from the supply
so the phase is off.

Which brings me back to a question I asked before. If 1/3 of the resonant tanks capacitance is "distributed capacitance" then
does that not mean that 1/3 of the tank energy is stored in that distributed capacitance ?

And therefore 1/3 less current involved in the oscillations will be seen on the current trace to the external capacitor ?

And also that this 1/3 of the LC capacitance that is "distributed" kind of "locks up" some energy in the coil itself ?

Would that 1/3 less current to the external capacitor not affect the phase difference ?

And finally could that 1/3 of the LC capacitance being "distributed" be what is causing my main HV tank phase to be remaining at
about 30 degrees ? Or whatever the actual value is. The main HV tank coil is a serial connected bifilar wound coil and I measured
about 300 or 400 pF between the windings, the external capacitance required for resonance is what I need to measure
accurately. 

Anyway at max activity and voltage on the HV tank the phase always says about 30 degrees.
Shouldn't it be closer to 90 degrees at "parallel resonance ?
Isn't "distributed capacitance considered series capacitance ?

I could not think of three more questions to make ten questions so 7 will do.  Sorry.

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[Farmhand]

Well I can get 60% efficiency into a real load of a 3 Watt rated filament globe. I can get 12.2 volts across across the globe with
0.515 A of current at a phase angle of 56 degrees, which funnily enough works out to a power factor of almost 0.56 so that works
out to about 3.5 Watts consumed by the globe. The input was 12.7 volts at 0.45 A DC = 5.7 Watts input. 3.5 / 5.7 = 0.61 or 61 % efficiency.
Light was bright.

The globe was powered directly from the LV Output tank AC. And the phase was measured on that output coil only.
I'll try to get a good quality shot to try to see the phase better than just reading the number on the scope.
The solenoid primary (same diameter as the other coils) is much better than the wrong sized spiral for a primary.

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[TinselKoala]

There. You see? It is just as I predicted. You have attained double the end-to-end efficiency of any FTW QEG build that has reported credible measurements. Their best is, as I recall, around 30 percent or even less.
Not having to turn a motor, push air around, overcome bearing friction, make a lot of noise and vibration, and all of that allows more of the input power to make it through the system to drive the real load. Using efficient solid-state resonant oscillators to produce the high "OU in VARs" is much better than using the mechanically driven parametric oscillator in terms of generating and maintaining the high circulating power in the tank circuit, and our small demonstration devices can be simply and easily scaled up to equivalent power levels to what the FTW people are actually showing, for a lot less expense and hassle.
Why anyone would want to do that is a different story.
There is a lot that the FTW QEG people could learn from Farmhand's work on this topic, and maybe even from mine as well.

So, at this point I think we have demonstrated that there really isn't any exploitable magic in ordinary resonant tank circuits with massive "OU in VARs" happening in them. So for someone to believe in the OU power of the FTW QEG but not in the same OU power of Farmhand's or my systems, they have to find another place for it to come in, something our systems don't have. Conditioning the core with AM radio station power? Only possibly having any OU effect at very low frequencies like 400Hz? I'm serious. What have they got, that we need?

[Farmhand]

I agree Tinsel, if I may say so. You inspired me, I seen your massive OU in VARs and had to get me some of that. Well actually it was
a good opportunity to practice some AC measurements and realize what some of the pitfalls are, (which are many), these things are
very methodical, great patience is needed to get truly accurate measurements, mine are not accurate and I can list a couple of
reasons why not. 1) is that with the HV and HF and my scope where it is the probe leads have to go around the DUT. and that
might be affecting the current determinations, the voltage is fairly close I think, it's just at the very low vertical division values.

Definitely HF air core transformers have losses there are more efficient ways, but for "tank" activity no metal core is a real bonus.

Anyway I did manage to get a Lissajous pattern which turns out to be fairly easy, and I fixed my scope to computer connection
issues with a new usb cable.
What does it mean ? Looks to me like the ellipse shows an angle of just under or over 45 degree's maybe 40 - 50 degrees.
I'll need to read up on that. This shot is just from the virtual panel, better resolution can be got by saving wfm. files ect.
I need to read up on that as well.