How Steorn Works

[dean_mcgowan]

Just watch ...

Their "research" will be a bunch of articles gathered together from the most notable people such as tesla and will be used to debunk our research and efforts even further into obscurity.

I hope for your own sakes that none of the pioneers amongst us are proferring their own research as proof of concept to aid this sham.

I smell a rat in the steorn cage... !!

[PaulLowrance]

I for one am glad to see people are still willing to discuss this topic of "free energy" suppression, regardless if it's an undesirable topic.

Some of posts in this thread really key in just how difficult it is to get a legitimate "free energy" machine in public hands. So we should face it, it has not happened yet. If we are intelligent then we need to analyze why.

There is no coherent logical person who can rightfully deny the specified various legitimate reasons why certain groups would want to suppress this technology. Unfortunately there are legal passive techniques being used right under our own feet to guide people and suppress this technology. It is their goal to suppress as long as possible and surely they are gleaming cheek-to-cheek they have succeed this long.

Here are various reasons preventing legitimate scientists from completion:

1. Greed! Forget about yourself. When you finalize & thoroughly verify the machine then spread it like wild fires, PLEASE!
2. Total control. Long process of patenting, legalities, finding a willing manufacturer, funding, etc.
3. Just carelessly announcing the verified "free energy" machine. You need to either find a guaranteed method of publishing the exact build instructions or find key undisclosed people who will publish everything if something happens to you.

In reference to #3, above, note that in all likelihood any inventor working on a legitimate "free energy" machine is being watched. I have been a software engineer for 28 years, an System Admin since 1997, and understand Internet security. Even so, my machine is hacked at this very moment and has been for some time. Point being, you BETTER be certain that when you publish the exact build instructions of this smoking gun (a first in history) that your information is well received by sufficient people. Don't be afraid of these thugs. Just be smart, lets stop being so self-centered, do the right thing, and help humanity in a huge way.

I hope everyone has thought out just how vitally important "free energy" is for the planet and all life.

Paul Lowrance

[mikestocks2006]

I for one am glad to see people are still willing to discuss this topic of "free energy" suppression, regardless if it's an undesirable topic.

Some of posts in this thread really key in just how difficult it is to get a legitimate "free energy" machine in public hands. So we should face it, it has not happened yet. If we are intelligent then we need to analyze why.

There is no coherent logical person who can rightfully deny the specified various legitimate reasons why certain groups would want to suppress this technology. Unfortunately there are legal passive techniques being used right under our own feet to guide people and suppress this technology. It is their goal to suppress as long as possible and surely they are gleaming cheek-to-cheek they have succeed this long.

Here are various reasons preventing legitimate scientists from completion:

1. Greed! Forget about yourself. When you finalize & thoroughly verify the machine then spread it like wild fires, PLEASE!
2. Total control. Long process of patenting, legalities, finding a willing manufacturer, funding, etc.
3. Just carelessly announcing the verified "free energy" machine. You need to either find a guaranteed method of publishing the exact build instructions or find key undisclosed people who will publish everything if something happens to you.

In reference to #3, above, note that in all likelihood any inventor working on a legitimate "free energy" machine is being watched. I have been a software engineer for 28 years, an System Admin since 1997, and understand Internet security. Even so, my machine is hacked at this very moment and has been for some time. Point being, you BETTER be certain that when you publish the exact build instructions of this smoking gun (a first in history) that your information is well received by sufficient people. Don't be afraid of these thugs. Just be smart, lets stop being so self-centered, do the right thing, and help humanity in a huge way.

I hope everyone has thought out just how vitally important "free energy" is for the planet and all life.

Paul Lowrance

To an extent I have to agree with Paul both in the general picture and specifically about Steorn.

First, there is no ?proof? yet their device works, and on the same token there is not ?proof? that it doesn?t.

Second, how should they go about it? What is the best way?

Let?s focus on the ?proof?. How? Make a product and sell it? Lets? say it costs 25k to build one (just a figure I?m throwing out without basis). Yeah right! Who?s going to buy it? On just their claim.?
Heck they haven?t asked for any money or asked anyone to buy anything, they have put their own money and reputation on line and yet they are still been attacked all over the place. At this point we simply do not know. Let them do their thing and prove it.
All they ask is scientists, engineers, from all over the world test it and publish their results, positive or negative.

Jumping to conclusions and find them guilty of fraud, or believing they have it is at best baseless. The jury is still out so to speak.

People say hook it up to a generator and have it light up a bulb. Sure, how long before another poster claims fraud, (e.g. the generator is really a motor with a small hidden battery?you know the Li button cells can last for years in your watch).

There are so many ways to cheat with today?s technologies. Even an outside the visible spectrum light source, a puff of air, even a magnetic field from coils on the ceiling and floor away from camera?s view can be an outside source, there are very many more ways so I just mentioned few examples.
We can go into wild conspiracy theories too, but so far at least the money trail says they are risking their own capital and time for this. If what they do works, sure there are huge interests at risk. Trillions at stake.

IMO, the fact that their device is all mechanical with no coils or wires required for its operation (according to Steorn) makes it at least interesting and a bit more difficult to cheat and worth the wait for the publishings.

One thing I'm fairly certain of, if and when the results publishings come out AND they support thier initial claims, the reports will be greatly scrutinized to say the least.

[Liberty]

As far as free energy suppression:
I suspect that it is more likely a case that nobody has actually made and demonstrated a self running device (that is really useful).  (I have not seen one from anyone else so far, not even Steorn, at least not yet).  Let alone, a free energy device, which would be a self running device that can produce more energy than it uses to self run.

Do I believe that a self running machine can be made and built?  Yes, I do.  I am trying to see if it can be done.

Additionally, you can not publish an idea and then patent it.  The patent will be rejected on the basis that what you wanted to patent is already public knowledge.  That is why inventors don't make their invention public knowledge first.  Only under NDA for truly interested parties.

The other route, is to publically publish the idea and try to build and sell the devices yourself.  That takes a tremendous amount of start up expense that most inventors don't have, and requires a lot of employee power to construct the devices. 

Most inventors desire to opt for the patent and license the idea out to others that are already established as a manufacturer, so they can readily produce the device and pay royalties to the inventor as they sell them.  To openly publish an idea brings in nothing for the inventor unless he/she can also build and sell them in mass and afford the tremendous startup costs and employment costs.

[PaulLowrance]

Hi Liberty,

you can not publish an idea and then patent it.  The patent will be rejected on the basis that what you wanted to patent is already public knowledge.  That is why inventors don't make their invention public knowledge first.  Only under NDA for truly interested parties.

The idea is to first get build the machine and verify. It's not about publishing an idea. Rather you want to fully verify that it works then publish, and after that you have one year to patent in the U.S.

I've spoken with dozens of experts in the field of patenting. The publisher has one year to patent in the U.S.  If you are not the publisher than you cannot patent it. You have to appreciably improve or change the design if you wanted to patent another persons published work.

The other route, is to publically publish the idea and try to build and sell the devices yourself.  That takes a tremendous amount of start up expense that most inventors don't have, and requires a lot of employee power to construct the devices.

No offense intended, but I don't see your logic and really think you have it backwards.  You can legally publishing for free. Or there are companies that specialize in this and will publish for roughly $150.
As far as cost of building, it depends on the machine. The idea is just to build a working model regardless how ugly it is. You don't need to spend millions on having professionally beautiful molds made, etc. This goal should be about getting the first published smoking gun, which should not cost that much for most magnetic designs.

If by unfortunate chance one's design is costly and they cannot save up enough money in a relatively short period of time then it's difficult to ask for money in this industry that for the most part immediately suspects scams in such cases.

I for example am working on a design that would cost a person less than ~$100 to completely build. Does it have some fancy casing or logs, etc. etc. etc.? No, of course not!  I am not in this industry to make a fortune because I have done my research on this industries history ... I know for fact a group is hacking in machine and what they are analyzing!!

Anyone who is in this industry to make a fortune is in for a world of surprise.

Most inventors desire to opt for the patent and license the idea out to others that are already established as a manufacturer, so they can readily produce the device and pay royalties to the inventor as they sell them.  To openly publish an idea brings in nothing for the inventor unless he/she can also build and sell them in mass and afford the tremendous startup costs and employment costs.

The concept of global "free energy" is a little bigger than any single person or family. IMHO the focus on the self when given the present condition of this planet and world is nothing short of ignorance and/or selfishness.

I predict the person to succeed will be one who is selflessness, giving to others, and will freely publish the exact build instructions.

Paul Lowrance