how much is bessler wheel valued at?

[gurangax]

There is no lost knowledge of a working Bessler wheel.  Gravity is a conservative field.

You are right. Gravity is a conservative field


edit: But you are wrong about the lost knowledge

[fletcher]

Putting aside the arguments of scarcity, & supply & demand etc, found in economic theory, we are left with the trivial.

Also assuming that it was the real McCoy i.e. an Intrinsic Motion Machine, that didn't need internal fuel replenishment, did not use a sequestered environmental force, nor was a deliberate fraud or deception, then it comes down to Power Density i.e. bang for your buck verses competing technology & its cost that is readily available today.

Many on BW.com have attempted to quantify Bessler's five display wheels in terms of continuous work capability - it seems that his last 12 foot diameter [18 inches thick] wheel could output between 80 & 150 watts, depending on assumptions made garnered from eyewitness reports & testing carried out.

This is enough to light one light bulb continuously, so little power density compared to modern day alternatives.

It's real value IMO would be to the advancement of science & understanding IF a mechanical work-around to first principles was found to be a legitimate solution to free-energy challenges.

That would be priceless - as for the mundane, if it were found to be a free environmental force like barometric changes or diurnal thermal changes then it would have little value above Cox's clock or Drebble's clock IMO - curiosity value but little economic worth.

If it were fraud then no value at all.

[MarkE]

You are right. Gravity is a conservative field


edit: But you are wrong about the lost knowledge

Your position requires evidence that you have not offered.

[CANGAS]

Fletcher is kind of waltzing round but has come kind of close to the point at a moment.

If Bessler had discovered a way to capture energy out of the gravity field or the equally immanent and awesome Quantum Field, (who knows, they may be the same field) then the physical limitations of his woody are of vanishing importance. If, If, If, then a device could be built of titanium and carbon fibre and could be let turn at a high RPM instead of his 60 RPM or whatever. With the result being a HIGH power density and a sustained power output that could vastly out-compete any hydroelectric or windpower installation.

With no fuel costs, such a "modern" Bessler device could replace all present Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Nuke, Big Gas, Big Whatever energy suppliers and monopolize the power supply industry.

The present day end consumer energy cost is very roughly 10 Trillion $ US globally per year.

A titanium Bessler wheel could replace the present energy suppliers and therefore be worth 10 Trillion $ US per year.

The standard pre-negotiation worth or selling price of a business is simply the amount of one year of the business gross income.

Therefore, in one limited way of reckoning, the value of a functional Bessler Wheel would be 10 Trillion $ US.

If you were to rationalize the value over the Wheel over the 20 year life of its patent, presuming that you could apply for one, get one, and remain alive and un-murdered,  then its value would be 20 x 10 Trillion $ US.

200 Trillion $ US.

And highly pissed off Big Oil, Big Coal, and Big Nuke and Big Gas investors and CEOs? Countless and priceless.....


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[gurangax]

Putting aside the arguments of scarcity, & supply & demand etc, found in economic theory, we are left with the trivial.

Also assuming that it was the real McCoy i.e. an Intrinsic Motion Machine, that didn't need internal fuel replenishment, did not use a sequestered environmental force, nor was a deliberate fraud or deception, then it comes down to Power Density i.e. bang for your buck verses competing technology & its cost that is readily available today.

Many on BW.com have attempted to quantify Bessler's five display wheels in terms of continuous work capability - it seems that his last 12 foot diameter [18 inches thick] wheel could output between 80 & 150 watts, depending on assumptions made garnered from eyewitness reports & testing carried out.

This is enough to light one light bulb continuously, so little power density compared to modern day alternatives.

It's real value IMO would be to the advancement of science & understanding IF a mechanical work-around to first principles was found to be a legitimate solution to free-energy challenges.

That would be priceless - as for the mundane, if it were found to be a free environmental force like barometric changes or diurnal thermal changes then it would have little value above Cox's clock or Drebble's clock IMO - curiosity value but little economic worth.

If it were fraud then no value at all.

for instance a 30kg weight at the end of a 2 foot pole would be supplying great torque at the other pole end. and it is variably adjusted according to the heaviness of the weight. it doesnt depend only on the diameter of wheel but also how heavy the weights is. it could easily achieve 10Kw power. its no fraud at all just simple but lost bessler secret.