The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.

[Pirate88179]

... but it will only balance itself. you have something missing for it to work.


regards

Yes, you need a battery and a motor.

Bill

[gurangax]

Yes, you need a battery and a motor.

Bill

correct you hit the jackpot


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[Pirate88179]

correct you hit the jackpot


regards

I thought as much.

Bill

[fletcher]

Except Bessler in 1712 didn't have a battery & electric motor - the closest electrical source might have been a Leyden Jar but that wasn't invented until 1745.

So, he might have used a spring/bow & clockwork mech etc [the spring given initial compression or extension by hand; a witness heard a spring sound when JB was reinstalling a weight] except in direct reply to Wagner's accusation of such, JB said that springs were used but not in the way that Wagner implied - in further answer to the wind-up method conjecture Bessler went away & designed a dual direction wheel - most realize that a spring needs an anchor point to work against - if it unwinds powering a wheel for a short time then reversing the direction of the wheel will not wind the spring back to full PE, whilst doing work & maintaining RPM etc - then there was Karl, who saw the mech, was aware of the criticism & conjecture, & still decided to be his patron & give him a job while JB attempted to sell his wheel - a risky proposition for a man with a reputation as being well educated & interested in science, & whose position, power & influence in the region would be diminished with a sullied reputation of supporting a fraud for a true PPM.


That does not mean that gurangax has not used a clock-work device etc to reposition weights in the z axis to avoid Cf's influence, but that work-around is not likely Bessler's solution IMO, & if he had read all the clues & Wagner's Critiques he would have known the background to those accusations.


P.S. the 54 day test would require a lot of stored energy, just to overcome ordinary system losses, if it were clock-work - do the sums to see how big a spring is required v's the wheel diameters & available internal space/volume etc to get a clearer picture, if you think it is a viable method.

[lumen]

The topic of this thread ends with a period, I suspect it should have been a question mark.