The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.

[gurangax]

Of course if I want it to be really powerfull I will need a thicker z axis but, I dont think Bessler wanted to demonstrate a powerfull wheel, it is enough just to show some excess energy do some work which seems to be perpetual but actually it is driven by gravity. Also I must stress that to replace the thickness on z axis one can substitute the thickness with heavier mass.


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but it should not be too heavy. anyway I dont think you will see this with the worlds current learning system. although it is there in front of  our eyes. Maybe this is what Bessler meant when he said


"...but what I didn't know then, and indeed have only recently discovered, is that there were obstacles in our way. We were, you might say, unprepared and therefore still far from the truth."


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[phaedrus]

The wheel thickness is described as variously 6 inches, 14 inches and 12 inches for wheel diameters of 10 feet, 12 feet and 11 feet respectively.

If we consider the maximum and minimums, it does not leave a lot of room for a hinged weight swinging in the Z axis.

Agreed!  If we look here http://www.orffyre.com/measurements.html, we see the first wheel, which this web site claims was only 4.6 feet in diameter, was only 4" thick!  How can you do anything in the Z axis with only 4" to work with?  Gurangax may have come up with a method of achieving a running wheel, but I think it probably isn't the same a Bessler did it, which, given these dimensions must have been only 2d.

[gurangax]

Agreed!  If we look here http://www.orffyre.com/measurements.html, we see the first wheel, which this web site claims was only 4.6 feet in diameter, was only 4" thick!  How can you do anything in the Z axis with only 4" to work with?  Gurangax may have come up with a method of achieving a running wheel, but I think it probably isn't the same a Bessler did it, which, given these dimensions must have been only 2d.

It is just the same principle of excess weight which he refered to. there are various implementation that can be done with it. without it your wheel will only balance. understand this, a balanced wheel will only balance if you used a balanced system. In other words there is no excess energy because the energy you got from gravity was being canceled by gravity itself and of course not forgeting the resistance in the system.


I understand how we usually think of it, I have been there as well. I have read something about Bessler connectedness principle but I have forgoten about it, I think there is truth in there, Im going to find what that is now.


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[gurangax]

It was refreshing to be reading back Bessler MT drawings. I found the connectedness principle on his MT9 drawing, and I think his principle of excess weight should fit with what he meant. also something new to ponder take a look on MT25 I think what he meant is one should look at the diagram in 3d, he is drawing it on the x-y plane, you should be able to understand what he meant by now.


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[gurangax]

Ok after reading on JC's blog about his translation of connectedness principle, I found that even himself is not really clear of what it means because it could be meaning many things. Drawing my own conclusion I think I know what the principle is and it has something to do with the weight excess principle. Later.


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