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[MileHigh]

I ain't driving around in a three-wheel teardrop-shaped car made of balsa wood and Saran Wrap powered by a model airplane engine.  No thanks, I'll pass.

[sarkeizen]

sarkz   people on the internet rearrange letters in their name like anagrams to hide what they are really saying or their agenda.  letters in your name rearrange to nazi krees.

When I want to hide what I'm saying I use a symmetric key stream cypher.

"People have achieved over  9000 miles per gallon, (see current  Guinness Book of World Records). If  this technology was applied to ordinary road vehicles, well over 200 mpg would result.

I don't have a copy of GBWW - but you're not telling me what the "technology" is.  Before you were talking about some dude taking a 4000 lb car and modifying the carburetor.  That is not the same as some tailored piece of technology, which is ultra light, single purpose (doesn't have to be able to haul an Ikea side table home) and runs on a track where it doesn't have to stop or climb a hill or change speed.

We know these test vehicles are light,  but they still weigh a couple of hundred pounds 'curb weight' with the driver.   This means that demonstrated and documented efficient use of fuel generates 35 times better mileage than a typical car."

First rule of optimization.  You have to know how much of your resources are going where otherwise you can't optimize anything. 

now also consider a recent test by a company that had a fully loaded 18 wheeler so that is 80,000 pounds or 40 tons get 13.9 mpg.   now assuming you don't believe me on that even though i'm sure you can google and find it my point is that even normal 18 wheelers get aroun 8 mpg with 80,000 pounds.  that's 320 mpg per ton.

Corollary to the first rule of optimization.  The same optimization applied to different scenarios does not necessarily optimize the metric to the same degree.

then there is the well documented shell car that got 376 mpg

Which you would never drive because it can't go up a moderately steep hill.  Clearly that car has nothing in it which can revolutionize the automobile world.  Why?  Because anyone can buy it for half a million dollars.  Yep all it's secrets available to anyone.

[steeltpu]

like i said none of you will see it.   just had to jump back in for one more thing i'd like to see you explain.   i forgot tom ogle had a patent.   i'll put it here.   or look it up #  4177779     now why would he go to the huge expense to get a patent if it didn't work?   or better yet why did shell oil offer him 25 million dollars to buy it?   he refused.   not long after that he is dead.   i'm sure you'll dream up answers.   i just want something more to chuckle about 

[MarkE]

like i said none of you will see it.   just had to jump back in for one more thing i'd like to see you explain.   i forgot tom ogle had a patent.   i'll put it here.   or look it up #  4177779     now why would he go to the huge expense to get a patent if it didn't work?   or better yet why did shell oil offer him 25 million dollars to buy it?   he refused.   not long after that he is dead.   i'm sure you'll dream up answers.   i just want something more to chuckle about

Lot's of people obtain patents that are not worthwhile.   Once a patent application has been filed the horse is to say: out of the barn.  If you believe that Ogle was murdered, it did not stop: the patent application from publishing, the patent being issued, or expiring, allowing anyone who cares to practice it to do so.  Ask yourself who has practiced or is now practicing his patent if it describes something that is valuable.  Modern fuel injectors, particularly direct injectors do one heck of a job of atomizing fuel.

The Shell story sounds a lot like urban legend.  Do you have any documentation of the deal?  Then we also might consider that robber barons rarely tip their hands.  When Goodyear, Standard Oil, and GM really did work together to eliminate the Los Angeles Red Car system, they didn't go around telling people what their intentions were.  Why would Shell tell Ogle that they intended to shelve his patent if he were to sell it to them?

[CANGAS]

Lot's of people obtain patents that are not worthwhile.   Once a patent application has been filed the horse is to say: out of the barn.  If you believe that Ogle was murdered, it did not stop: the patent application from publishing, the patent being issued, or expiring, allowing anyone who cares to practice it to do so.  Ask yourself who has practiced or is now practicing his patent if it describes something that is valuable.  Modern fuel injectors, particularly direct injectors do one heck of a job of atomizing fuel.

The Shell story sounds a lot like urban legend.  Do you have any documentation of the deal?  Then we also might consider that robber barons rarely tip their hands.  When Goodyear, Standard Oil, and GM really did work together to eliminate the Los Angeles Red Car system, they didn't go around telling people what their intentions were.  Why would Shell tell Ogle that they intended to shelve his patent if he were to sell it to them?

You have given many insightful comments to this discussion. Thank you!

I am trying to get started muddling my way through figuring out this thing. In compiling a summation of ENERGY IN versus ENERGY OUT, it might help get me kick started to guesstimate the aerodynamic drag coefficient of a long train, say, a 100 car train. Its rolling friction will practically drop out of the equation and in the presumed absence of braking over a long haul, the dominant factor will be air drag.

I have no clue about the drag coefficient of a 100 or 200 car train. Its probly pretty low.

What do you think?   


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