KARPEN PILE

[profitis]

That's the least of worries mr pomodoro,there's plenty types glass,plastics,ceramics nowdays(what do they make NiMh batteries with?).our only worry is to show a stable overpotential diff over a period of about a week.a fuel cell without air is all we need to make to nail it down.

[profitis]

We should record the days ambient temp aswell to get an idea of performance.perhaps the sample dropped to 16uA today and will rise to 2OuA tomor then 18uA the next.I'm already confidant with the latest data,it seems to have equilibriated.

[mscoffman]

I was thinking that the "eternal" part of Karpenns cell is perhaps being mis-considered
here. Only the original Karpenns Cells needed to be "eternal" because that was a signal
flag, as it were, that there was a super chemical energy potential reaction going on.
This was because almost no-matter how low the energy drain of the depolarizing
load device was, eventually it would require more than the total chemical potential energy
originally in the cell when it was started long years ago, to have been operational for as
long as it was.

So the progeny of Karpenns Cell should have to exceed only the calculated
quantative analytical total amount of chemical energy available at the start
because that can reasonably be estimated, for it to be operationally useful
in tapping into the 2lot thermal energy to support its operating cost.  There
are actual reasons *against* mass producing "eternal" functioning systems
having to do with electronic systems continuing to run after they have
exceeded their useful lives and having been scrapped.

For reasons listed below I feel that 2lot violations may be only a side effect of the
system operation and that atomic transmutations will eventually leave the chemical
system contaminated, anyway, after a very long period of time.

It is a fact of science; "That hydrogen atoms compressed to 200 atmospheres and placed
in a metal tank - thermal neutrons come out of it. It's been calculated that PEP-II
neutrinoes have the exact energy required to do this operation Think of what the formation
of a electrically neutral particle from a protium ion and an electron looks like from the
standpoint of the chemistry of the tank. This is not an operation common in normal
chemistry.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[profitis]

There is even no need for calculations @markscoffman.who ever heard of a battery that maintains its full voltage and wattage after 60years?even without discharge? Its unheard of to have any battery that has absolute zero self-discharge.a 1000year shelf-life.all batteries self-discharge over the years and drop in wattage and voltage on just standing and doing nothing!

[profitis]

Your reasons against mass production may very well be true but thers ways to manufacture to ensure limited lifespans.