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Is Faraday´s Induction Law correct?

Started by hanon, June 11, 2014, 03:47:21 PM

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hanon

Sadang,


I did not know the whole history of Marinov but I guess that that paper was published before 1990 or so. I think that Marinov later met with Nikolaev who persuaded him to look for longitudinal components to explain his results. In fact if your revise the two advertisements in Nature posted before it is clear the difference in his equations. It is just my guess.


The good thing about Marinov and Nikolaev is that they were two experimentalists. I like Physics based on experiments. Not just mathematical formulation based on nothing or just mind games.


Regards

sadang

I don't know of what difference in his equations you talk, because the first advertisement is about so called "Faraday paradox" or the "relativity principle" which is wrong and the second one is about the nonexistence of displacement current. However, for me Nicolaev is a great surprise, because I did not know him and I did not read his works so far. Unfortunately I've not found many works in English.

hanon

Sadang,
I was refering to the 1986 advertisement called "Marinov to the world Scientific Conscience" in post #15 and the 1996 advertisement called "Marinov: Annus Horribilis" published in post #16 and #17. Reading post #20 seems that MArinov and Nikolaev met in 1991 and Nikolaev persuaded him to take into account the scalar magnetic field as the cause of their results.


All,


It seems that many other scientists also predict longitudinal forces not includen in curent theory. I add here two links, you can navigate along those websites and grasp deep into those subjects. One is related to Ampere longitudinal force, theory erradicated after the advent of relativity theory. I think that Weber also developed the ampere findings into a electrodynamics theory([size=78%]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weber_electrodynamics[/size][size=78%]) and others as ([/size][size=78%]http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEWELBOOK.html[/size][size=78%]).[/size]




http://www.ampere.cnrs.fr/parcourspedagogique/zoom/courant/force/index-en.php


http://members.tele2.nl/kovavla/experiments.html




Science should look back to recover the lost path as consecuence of following current uncomplete EM theory.


Regards

hanon

Three interesting reading about Ampere Electrodynamics, the first one contains a very interesting experiment to test. those articles explains why it was suppressed and now Maxwell is known and Ampere electrodynamics is sadly forgotten.


http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/edit.html


http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2007/sci_techs/3415weber.html


http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/Atomic_Science.pdf


Experiment:  Is anyone willing to do it and post a video?


"  About two months ago, I read in a column by Jeffery Kooistra in Infinite Energy magazine (Issue 27, 1999) of a simple and paradoxical experiment, originally proposed by Dr. Peter Graneau, the author of Ampère-Neumann Electrodynamics in Metals and other works. The result so fascinated me that I decided to reproduce the experiment on my own. Two 42-inch lengths of half-inch (i.d.) copper pipe were mounted, each on a separate length of 1 x 3 lumber, and laid parallel to one another, like rails, about 12 inches apart. The opposite terminals of a 12-volt automotive battery were connected to the copper rails. When the circuit is completed, by placing a 24-inch length of copper pipe perpendicularly across the two parallel pipes, the shorter pipe begins to roll down the track, accelerating to the end, and sparking and sputtering as it goes in a delightful display. One familiar with the Ampère angular force (see 21st Century, Fall 1996, "The Atomic Science Textbooks Don't Teach," p. 21), will see that an explanation based on repulsion between elements of current in the parallel rods, and those in the movable, perpendicular portion of the circuit, is at hand—although, the same motion can be accounted for by thealgebraically equivalent i x B forces considered in Maxwell's formulations.
The paradox which the designer of the experiment wished to demonstrate comes in the next part. If we replace the 24-inch copper pipe with an equivalent length of steel pipe, the steel pipe rolls in the opposite direction! Why? I asked Dr. Graneau, who was kind enough to provoke my added interest by telling me that he didn't know, and that he didn't know of anybody who did.  "

sadang

Interesting experiment. I tried with a lab source of 5A, but the max. current is too small. I can confirm there is a tendency for this movement, but the effect is not fully observable with this setup. However at a short research on the net I found the original experiment of Ampere. here it is:
- http://www.ampere.cnrs.fr/parcourspedagogique/zoom/courant/formule/index-en.php
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hva-HwTg1t4

Maybe someone with a car battery can replicate this experiment.