Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC

[MarkE]

 
James Kwok had a tough engineering job. I, as a Physicist, can just write equations on paper and talk about the adiabatic expansion.  He had to capture the energy on the way up and make sure that the losses were as low as possible.



He built a massive machine to capture a small amount of energy.  I congratulate him for his efforts.

He built a machine that did not and does not operate as he claims.  He set-up a very creative corporate structure that was not shall we say: investor friendly.

[Paul-R]

He built a machine that did not and does not operate as he claims.

What is the evidence for this claim of yours?

[ltseung888]

 Let us talk about the different scenarios that may be possible to use water as fuel.  We shall use entire cycles in every scenario.

A.    The complete cycle for a normal electrolysis can be:
1.    Start with water at room temperature.
2.    Use the water as electrolyte in a normal electrolysis setup.
3.    Use X units of Energy to turn water into hydrogen and oxygen gases in the normal electrolysis way.
4.    Feed the hydrogen and oxygen gases into a fuel cell (reverse electrolysis) and generate X units of electricity.  Or feed the hydrogen and oxygen gas as fuel for combustion.  X units of energy will be available to do work.  (Ideal case with no loss assumed.)
5.    The result of 4 will be water again in the case of combustion. The result of 4 will be water as electrolyte in the case of fuel cell.
6.    Repeat from 1 or 2 again.
The above is a well known process.  Water can be changed into hydrogen and oxygen gases as fuel.  The problem is the large amount of X energy needed for electrolysis and the danger of transporting hydrogen and oxygen gases.

B.    DC Pulsing can break up the water molecules into some form of HHO with much less energy.
1.    Start with water at room temperature.
2.    Use the water as electrolyte in a special Stan Meyer, HHO or some special type device.
3.    DC pulse the Electrolyte with X1 units of Energy.  Some kind of resonance occurs. Produces some "HHO gas mixture" that is different from normal hydrogen and oxygen gas mixture resulting from normal electrolysis. X1 is much less than X as in scenario A.  (May be 1/8 or 1/31 as discussed in the Indian Paper in this thread.)
4.    The "HHO gas mixture" is used as fuel, releasing X1 units of energy.  This "HHO gas mixture" is then turned into water.  (There is some justification that the "HHO gas mixture" may be different from Hydrogen and oxygen mixture in that – Browns Gas, if left for hours, will lose its implosion property.  One explanation is that electromagnetic waves from outside will alter the structure of the Browns Gas.)
5.    Resulting water is fed back to start the process at 1.
In this case, the amount of energy X1 to turn water into some "HHO gas mixture" can be much less than X.  There may be some electrical energy source needed to supply X1.  This is still acceptable as it makes it practical to use water as fuel.

C.    Scenario B PLUS lead-out or bring-in energy Y1 via Implosion
1.    Start with water at room temperature.
2.    Use the water as electrolyte in a special Stan Meyer, HHO or some special type device.
3.    DC pulse the Electrolyte with X1 units of Energy.  Some kind of resonance occurs. Produces some "HHO gas mixture" that is different from normal hydrogen and oxygen gas mixture resulting from normal electrolysis. X1 is much less than X in scenario A.  (May be 1/8 or 1/31 as discussed in the Indian Paper in this thread.)
4.    The "HHO gas mixture" is used as fuel in an Implosion fashion.  The Implosion will bring in Y1 Units of Energy.
5.    The total energy available to use is X1+Y1.  This Bring-in System may be able to self-sustain.  X1 units of energy is fed back to generate the "HHO gas mixture" and Y1 units used to do work. The "HHO gas mixture" is then turned into water.
6.    Resulting water is fed back to start the process at 1.
This becomes a very attractive option.  The additional Y1 energy from the Implosion process may be able to supply the electrical energy in step 3.  The System becomes a Bring-in Energy System continuously bringing-in the kinetic energy of air molecules to do work and cool the environment at the same time.
(More to follow)

[TheCell]

<The most important step to note is number 4.  External energy comes in to complete the cycle. 
The Hidro (James Kwok) of Australia works on this principle.>

http://www.rosch.ag/index.php/de/entwicklungen/aufriebskraftwerk
buoyancy power plant (Auftriebskraftwerk)

While the shovels, that are mounted on a large chain rise up to the surface,
the air in each of them expands and therefor drops in temperature.
If the air , that is pressed into the lowest shovels has the same temperature
as the surrounding water a steady heat flow from the water to the air occurs
while rising to the surface thereby resulting in additional buoyancy.
(Special kind of heat pump)

[MarkE]

What is the evidence for this claim of yours?

In 2011 he changed the company from FTD Corporation Ltd to Centium Electric.  In late 2012 he changed his company Centium Electric to Hidro Co.  In late 2013 Hidro Co withdrew their investment prospectus. Hidro Co has been moribund for months.  They have removed all mention of Kwok's free energy machine claims:  http://www.hidroco.com

His claim is for a perpetual motion machine.  PMM's have never worked for reasons that should be obvious:  Energy/matter is concserved.  You might also be interested to know that Kwok was convicted of securities fraud a few years ago:  http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic.nsf/byheadline/07-32+Former+director+of+Sydney+power+company+jailed?openDocument