Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC

[richardn]

Thanks for your opinion, massive.

But imho you put it too easy. If there was proof for the existance of monoatomic hydrogen as gas - and existing for more than milliseconds, it would
be officially announced by scientists.
My opinion is that the "free energy protagonists" (want) to live in a SF-world where they can generate energy for free, i.e. the perpetuum mobile.
That is kind of fantastic and funny to watch but for me its hard to rely on this.

Yes, monoatomic h exists for a very short time when it is transported to the cathode. But it combines nearly at once with other h to h2, as we know it
as a stable gas.
For me it is absolutely impossible, that monoatomic h-gas will exist as free gas and in stable situation.
It may exist in a kind of Plasma condition on very high temperature tough...

[massive]

I have no problem with x amount of gas , for x amount of energy , Avogadro etc
I dropped electrolysis in 98 - 99 or so , it is an observation that it is rediculous to repeat the same experiment , you can ONLY get the same result.

George Wiseman draws more gas with his welders , either he is producing nore than faraday OR he is producing monatomic H in the mix .
his experiments and experience back up his claims
people say they replicate his set up BUT they straight away change the construction details to suit them selves
He is clear as glass in his instructions ,that he uses 3/8" between his plates yet everyone wants to make a compact cell and ignore

the series cell itself is a break away because a transformer is discarded , the surface area is multiplied by neutral NON 'live' plates , that in itself is a major step forward but I doubt scientists are going to let that construction make its way into text books

you can NOT teach kids to get rid of transformers .
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I personally have never seen an electron , proton  , diatomic H or monatomic H molecule but people freely talk about them like its first hand knowledge but we have all been thru the school system and we all regurgitate what has been driven into our heads

If George Wiseman has more gas out put , I think there is very few people who we have experience to counter claim
either he is producing monatomic H OR he is producing more diatomic gas than faraday , theres only 2 options

For me the thing that stands out about the japanese research is the use of a fly back transformer , I have never read of anyone utilising genuine flyback topology , Inductive Energy Storage

The SITh is unavailable to the public , it is not a SCR , they call it Field Controlled Diode.
nor have I heard of Static Induction Transistor

This thread started as "31 x more gas"  then Les Banki changed it to "8 x more gas" , everyone piled onto L Banki , when his figure was/is based on the JAPANESE RESEARCH paper

he took the thread to

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2578.400

.....where they piled onto him 

all he did was provide a relative circuit for people willing to do their own research into the JAPANESE RESEARCH
there was 20 circuit boards freely GIVEN to anyone , who does that ?  do universities do that ? do governments do that ?

theres no way the J researchers are releasing their actual results what ever that may be , on top of that NGK is in no hurray to release SITh on consumers that could make their own technology

the economy is solely based on selling product to consumers for more than it is worth

back to the J circuit / Banki circuit , it is utilising stored energy , no different to a battery .
do I think more energy can be pulled from a pwer supply ?  = N O !

1 simple observation of ALL circuits is , there is more energy out side of a circuit than the energy inside the circuit

once upon a time there was onlythe primary circuit , then some one invented a trans and therefore the secondary circuit , along came valves , electronics and now we have the control circuit, so its normal for everything to have 3 circuits
if anyone wants more energy out of a circuit then the logical step is to open the circuit to out side energy

there is NO laws of physics to say energy can not enter a circuit

petrol is external energy , paid for the entered into a system . diesel , hemp seed oil , cotton seed , alcohol , coal , wood ........
they are ALL external sources of energy added

water added to electrolysisis external to the circuit , the gas released is protons , neutrons and electrons.
a resistive element of the circuit is disintergrating and escaping the circuit , when it is all gone the circuit is open

so there is nothing in physics to say external energy can not enter a circuit
again there is always more energy out side of a circuit then there is IN the circuit
the circuit itself is constructed from resources directly from the environment .......which is external from the work bench

[richardn]

Hi massive,

thanks for your complex answer - i am not sure if i got the final point tough.
What exactly do you mean when you say "there is more energy outside the circuit than inside"?
Do you mean there is a kind of magic that external energy enters the circuit to take part in the electrolysis?

I tend to believe what scientists have stated for many years and prooven by experiments over and over
unless there is really strict evidence for the opposite. Every real scientist would be happy to find the perpetuum mobile
and would surely be a candidate for the nobel price!
So - if there was only the slightest chance of holding true this would have attracted all scientists to proof it!

Where can you read about the original findings from wiseman?
Can you make absolutely sure there was no mistake in measuremet or other experiment conditions?

[massive]

Hi
lets say Ive got a traditional 2 plate electrolysis set up in front of me , 12v DC , x amount of amperage = out put means nothing in this example

at any given moment on this planet there is a lightning strike , according to science , 100 per second

my table top experiments input and output compared to 1 lightning strike is absolute miniscule.

on every surface around the house there is static electrons.

When I mean out side energy Im only talking about electrons . those electrons are no different than the ones powering the fridge , the light , the TV , the car or what ever, except they are unexcited and external to the circuit.

now with the Electrolysis set up , I have 12V DC and x amount of amperage through traditional 2 plates , lets be honest about it ..... THAT is the amount of energy I have to work with . the circuit is closed and the set up has to use what is available...and THAT is whats available.....as far as I can see .

the series cell has been around for 40 years and DC pulsing is not straight DC , so what behavior happens to molecules under pulsing has not been written in the school books , I certainly was never aware of this type of thing before I saw a vhs(!) of g wiseman in 1998(!)

Why hasnt science mentioned the modernization of electrolysis???   there has been a modification where neutral plates have been added AND they work , surely that is worthy of adding to the science books.
that alone is major....... NEUTRAL PLATES 

Georeg Wiseman has sent out for independent tests
http://www.eagle-research.com/
GW doesnt frequent forums , so you wont find alot on these type of forums , his name is hardly mentioned 

"permetuum mobile"  is some thing that gets me ...... it is a phrase/quote from the 1800s but is still used in 2015 . (where and who did it originate?)
a hydraulic water ram requires zero input but it has continual out put , people go on about efficiency and c.o.p of machines but theres a man made machine that will run continuously .....is it a perpetual motion machine?
to see one in person they are fantastic to watch and unforgettable , apparently they were widely used in the NY / east area way back when
In UK theres a company still going thats been in bussiness for over 200 years making them . not bad
http://www.greenandcarter.com/main/products.htm


a wind turbine generates 2 things = electrical power and money
it will generate both as long as there are consumers and payment methods in place.
in this case , wind is the out side energy , is the force of the wind greater than the energy in the circuit ? 

again a lightning strike has more electrons than the electrons in the circuit

[richardn]

o.k. - and what does that proof?

A ligthning strike has a lot of energy (volts and amps) for a very short time.
If you could save all that energy it really wouldnt last very long when you supply a little village.

But unfortunately this "free" energy doesn't enter your circuits as you would like it :-)

Unless you build special machines to collect it (PV-energy, wind energy, water energy,....)
Is that what you are talking about?

But still, this doesn't have to do anything with faraday's and others electro-chemical laws...