Oscillating sine wave LC tank magnet motor.

[synchro1]

Synchro I don't want to degenerate into pedantry, but technical terms have specific meanings.  An LC tank circuit resonates.  Ignoring parasitics, neither the individual capacitor(s) resonate.   There is not a capacitive resonance or an inductive resonance.  There is just a resonant frequency where X_C = X_L.

That's called "Kicking a dead horse"!

[jbignes5]

Synchro I don't want to degenerate into pedantry, but technical terms have specific meanings.  An LC tank circuit resonates.  Ignoring parasitics, neither the individual capacitor(s) resonate.   There is not a capacitive resonance or an inductive resonance.  There is just a resonant frequency where X_C = X_L.

This is a logical fallacy you are presenting. Lets look at parts in a simulator and you will see that all parts talked about have individual C/L/R values and hence why it can be resonated by itself. They add those characteristics to make up for the anomalies present and because no part is perfect or ideal. A real l/c/r circuit has to have all the information of each parts inductance, capacitance and resistance. When you sum them they add or subtract minute losses or gain for each component to the whole. Yes there are formulas to give a general output but each part has to have a resonance in itself to add or subtract from the whole resonance of the circuit.


Saying parts like a cap don't have a resonant frequency is the logical fallacy seeing that all simulators include this information in each part presented to the simulated circuit. If they did not do this no simulator would work in the real world. A simple fact.


As for some trying to claim ownership to their work, well thats fine but do not make demands on others interpreting that work, especially with a new understanding of how things really work. It is not my job or anyone elses of cleaning up messes as someone put. If someone misinterprets your work then let it be, it's only an interpretation and not the truth if it proves false. We must reinterpret all work to see if other plausible explanations exist and hold true. If we stick to your interpretation then we go nowhere and learn nothing new in the process. We have to do this because we can not see with our eyes what is going on yet with induction events, both magnetic and electric. We must interpret the events with the knowledge we hold individually and not rely on "I told you how it works." because yours is an interpretation as well. Nothing is set in stone here because we can not detect this event yet.

[synchro1]

@Jbigness5,


Thanks for helping balance the field. People who take pride in building from scavenged parts betray a "Thread Ball" mentality that speaks of petty mindedness. Everyone's seen how eccentric misers react hysterically over meaningless issues. TK acts like he may be storing a huge "Lint Ball" somewhere, perhaps hidden under that pile of garbage parts strewn around his laboratory.

[MarkE]

This is a logical fallacy you are presenting. Lets look at parts in a simulator and you will see that all parts talked about have individual C/L/R values and hence why it can be resonated by itself. They add those characteristics to make up for the anomalies present and because no part is perfect or ideal. A real l/c/r circuit has to have all the information of each parts inductance, capacitance and resistance. When you sum them they add or subtract minute losses or gain for each component to the whole. Yes there are formulas to give a general output but each part has to have a resonance in itself to add or subtract from the whole resonance of the circuit.


Saying parts like a cap don't have a resonant frequency is the logical fallacy seeing that all simulators include this information in each part presented to the simulated circuit. If they did not do this no simulator would work in the real world. A simple fact.


As for some trying to claim ownership to their work, well thats fine but do not make demands on others interpreting that work, especially with a new understanding of how things really work. It is not my job or anyone elses of cleaning up messes as someone put. If someone misinterprets your work then let it be, it's only an interpretation and not the truth if it proves false. We must reinterpret all work to see if other plausible explanations exist and hold true. If we stick to your interpretation then we go nowhere and learn nothing new in the process. We have to do this because we can not see with our eyes what is going on yet with induction events, both magnetic and electric. We must interpret the events with the knowledge we hold individually and not rely on "I told you how it works." because yours is an interpretation as well. Nothing is set in stone here because we can not detect this event yet.

jbignes with all due respect I very explicitly referred to lumped parameters.  Synchro is using a nonsense term of his invention.  That is not helpful to any discussion. 

The design under discussion is not operating at the SRF of either or both capacitors.  The inductance of the components as connected in the circuit is insignificant to the inductance of the discrete inductor.

[synchro1]

Quote from MarkE:

"Synchro is using a nonsense term of his invention".

How's "two matching self resonant capacitors"? Capacitors can be of equal value but have dissonant self resonance.