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overunity portable generator ??

Started by pg46, September 12, 2006, 01:48:17 PM

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pese

This generator also produce some KWatts on heat additionaly.
That can be "used" !

More out- than in-put ?

And dreame comes true !
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Dingus Mungus

Quote from: pg46 on September 24, 2006, 12:34:33 PM

The Answer is simply a Yes or a No


No, the engine and dynamo are under excess load and while both components can match this demand both components also create excess heat in the process which means inefficientcy... The result being the diesel engine burning more fuel less efficiently to match the demand, the analogy to using a DC motor would be using more amperage and converting most of it to heat. You would drain your battery faster then if you ran the motor with no load. Sorry but I think every person interested in this field had this same idea. I had this idea at age 10, I tried to build it with "Capsella"... :D

Unfortunately its just not possible unless the motor is overunity...
And at that point we won't need to put the motor under excess load.
;D

pg46

Thanks to Dingus Mungus -

Great reply and a nice explanation of the challenges with the heat depleting the efficiency when the unit exceeds its continuous ratings. This generator is claimed to be 96 to 97% efficient when it runs at its continuous rated 6500 watts with a 9 HP input producing 6500 watts or 8.7 HP out in electricity. I wonder if the surge rate could  be pulsed rather than exceeded continuously one might avoid the resulting heat problems and the loss of efficiency? maybe special additional cooling features could be added as well.
Also maybe the 3 or 4 % needed for this unit to become overunity can be captured and used from as Pese mentioned the waste heat and converted into additional electric power? also perhaps one could use the exhaust flow itself to run a small additional alternator and gain some power output there also? Seems like the additional 214 watts required to make this generator in this example an overunity machine shouldn't be too hard to obtain but then again...perhaps it is.

Best Regards,


pese

the lost power (heat) . is an "PRODUCED" Power.
Caloric Power to heat , stored in warm (hot) water.
revers the heat to make ice (frigidaire)
it must not stored in electricity.
In any case , this is power. (if in addition
over 100% ? Than its Overunity!)

THINK about : Not all MUST be stored (with many losts)
in electric power !!   Thin on "Air-Compressor"

(example: Windmill can store hydraulic (air-pressure) and
than work to tools directly as to air powered electrogenerator)
- I found nice construction is US-WEB-


I can belive that this diesel engine + e-motor
produce over 90% efficient power and only (less)
10% heat. Something is possibly wrong on "this"
datasheet from this generator..
Pese
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Dingus Mungus

Quote from: pese on September 25, 2006, 02:28:46 PM

THINK about : Not all MUST be stored (with many losts)
in electric power!!!

I can belive that this diesel engine + e-motor
produce over 90% efficient power and only (less)
10% heat. Something is possibly wrong on "this"
datasheet from this generator..
Pese



*UPDATE... Posted wrong link lol :P
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1494.0.html
My idea for recouping waste heat in to mechanical power.

As for the generators web sites claims, nearly all internal combustion engines are less then 30% efficient...
There are very few examples of high efficientcy in comustion engines.