Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[MarkE]

@MileHigh,

You're shameless about constantly feeding complete bullshit like this into the forum: 

"Pull-force on a test piece of iron is not the same thing as the strength of the magnetic field".

It isn't.

[MileHigh]

You're shameless about constantly feeding complete bullshit like this into the forum:

1.  Your statement shows that you don't possess a fundamental understanding of how magnetic fields work.
2.  MarkE backed me up so everybody knows that you are wrong.
3.  "Constantly feeding complete bullshit" is just you playing the borderline-insane character or you truly have a compromised cognitive function and you are unable to interpret and analyse situations and motivations properly.

[Cap-Z-ro]

This is going to be a time-out on this thread to address a completely different issue:

Yeah, and topic is.....this Doosgbag's obsession with ol' Cap

Captain Zero, can you see a nice lively discussion going on here?  Aren't we just discussing tech and bouncing ideas back and forth and having a spirited debate?

Cap sees the doosh being his same old self, and his very capable opponent correcting his every attempt at trolling...which is not the same as him jumping on a new member presenting out of the box ideas.

And so, Cap has no need to intervene.

He can bullsh!t here all day long if someone is willing to engage him.

Is this the work of the evil cabal?  Are the Men in Black scurrying around in the background working to poison Timnan's mind?

I seems that its the work of an adolescent.

This the stuff that you always ignore.

Is he getting up to speed ?

Just a friendly discussion with some strong views, all part of a healthy normal debate.

Which is why I minded my own business...theat is, until the Doosh dragged my name into it.

It's something very positive, people can read this stuff and try go get something out of it and improve their own skills.

As if people didn't already knew he was a doosh though.

But no, I and others are just "paid shills," here to "disrupt the creative process" according to you?

And according to the evidence, I wood add.

Between that crazy view of yours and your endless filthy potty-mouth scat-boy jackass talk, what an idiot you come across as.

In my defense, there are just so many creative ways to out trolls

Really, can you at least stop the infantile potty-mouth talk?

I wood be happy to...if he wood just shut up 10 Percent of the time.

I am just so sick of it and I am willing to bet you that many other are too.

Me too...but it doesn't look like the trolling is abating.

Stop the fucking ass-licking turd-boy talk, please!

F-bombs are acceptable apparently.

MileHigh

How high ?

Please don't say Beetlejuice three times.

Apparently said Beetlejism three times and brought forth anotther of the forum's Dooshbag's

Regards...

[picowatt]

PW&Mark


Now if we use ion's to carry that current by way of an ionic conductor,the ion flow is opposite to that of the electron flow,and although the polarity is the same through the ionic conductor,the opposite flow of ions creates a magnetic field around that conductor that is opposite to that of the one created by electron flow. The down side is that because of the higher resistance of the ionic conductor,a higher power level must be used to obtain a decent amount of current through that conductor.

If we make a K/CL mix of the right ratio,we can ballance that flow of current between the ion carriers and electron carriers. Once this ballance is correct,then the net magnetic field around the conductor is 0.

Another problem associated with this when useing a DC current is of course electrolysis. But this problem is omited when useing AC current.

Tinman,

Here is my take on your post:

I assume that a flow of protons will produce a magnetic field opposite to that of electrons flowing in the SAME direction.  As such, the right hand rule apparently applies to both.  That is, thumb towards the negative most polarity.  (I assume the same applies to any other positive ion flow as well)

I believe the above to be true but hopefully others will respond further regarding this. 

However, for a given orientation of the DC polarity applied, say negative to the left and positive to the right, electron flow will be towards the right and positive ion flow will be towards the left.  In this example the electron and ion flow are in the OPPOSITE directions.

If we have a conductor wherein both electrons and positive ions are equally mobile, applying a DC potential to the ends of that conductor would cause the electron flow and ion flow to be in opposite directions.

If we assume the right hand rule applies as above, the magnetic field produced by the electron flow and positive ion flow (which are in opposite directions) would both produce a magnetic field with similar orientation (i.e., they would reinforce, not cancel).

The KCl experiment you propose may or may not be similar to the condition above wherein both electrons and positive ions are EQUALLY mobile.  I am definitely no expert regarding electrochemistry.  However, if you are going to perform this test using KCl, I would assume that there would be transport and recombination time related factors that would suggest using DC as opposed to AC.

I am not sure how you plan to configure your experiment, but one method might be to use an electrolyte filled plastic tube between two open containers with electrodes in each connected to a DC power supply.  The electrolyte filled tubing would be your "special conductor".  A compass placed across that conductor could be used to indicate the direction of the magnetic field.

A control test can be performed using the same current realized in the above test thru a copper or aluminum conductor with the same orientation as the special conductor.  Due to the lower resistance of the Cu or Al, you will need an accurate means to both measure and regulate your DC current. 

If you have already performed some experiments regarding this, how did you configure your test and what results did you obtain?

PW

[picowatt]

MH,

Please don't feed trolls on this thread...

@ALL,

Would it be possible for everyone to try to post without using any emotionally charged adjectives, slurs, or personal jabs for even just a single day?

I fail to see their relevance or utility...

My apologies to all for this off topic post.
PW