Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[tinman]

I have many times asked you questions to get you to clarify what you have attempted to say.  Where I have objected is where you have declared things that are not true.  A pertinent example is your repeated misapplication of magnetic lines of force in diagrams.

What i have been trying to do is show you the independant value of each field,insted of the unified field as depicted by most magnetic field diagrams. Quote Verpies- just like attraction force is related to magnetic flux density gradient.
So my figure 8 is showing the mapped flux density of each individual pole.

Now.as far as my diagram depicting a pump,pipes and gages.
You(as usual) were the first to comment.
Quote: post 841- Were the pressure actually zero at the middle of the upper pipe segment, there would not be any impetus for water to continue to flow past that point.

Other that this being incorrect,you have already made a statement in regards to how the system would opperate-->this was post 841.
Then in post -849 Quote: Negative differential pressure is common.  Negative gauge pressure which is negative differential pressure relative to the local atmosphere is common.  Negative absolute pressure requires that a volume contain less than zero matter.  There is no such known condition.

Where was absolute pressure show or mentioned in my diagram and post?.

Post 851 Quote: Tinman where did you say qualify pressure as gage or differential?  It is up to you to say what you mean.  I can go out and buy pressure sensors that are any of the three:  differential, gage, or absolute.

If i have have given no indication as to wether it is gage or differential pressure,then how did you make your decisions that your reply 841 was based around when you didnt know the value of the pressures?.
post 857 Quote:-It is not up to me to second guess you.  It is up to you to specify your proposed set-up.
But you have already taken a guess,as you posted what you think should be the case in post 841.

MH then says this-Quote: I think you need to check the attitude there Tinman.
Im guessing this is based around my three word's-oh-sorry Mark.
AC posted what i thought to ba a legitimate proposal-Quote: However if we were to add a slight restriction or boundary condition at the middle where the pressure gauge is located then everything works perfectly which is of course applied mechanics 101. In a closed system as velocity increases the pressure decreases and the energy is then not in the pressure but the momentum ie. mass velocity of the fluid.

Your reply Mark was to laugh in the face of another fellow experimentor Quote: LOL, place a differential pressure gauge across your restriction and tell me which side of the restriction it indicates has the higher pressure.
No word from MH saying that you need a attitude check.

We see this all to often,the big guns thinking that they are better than the rest of us,and what they do or say to others they concider below them is all ok from the other big guns,and nothing is said about any attitude check. There are of course exceptions amoungst those that have great knowledge in EE.

So my biggest beef was you making a formal conclusion about how and what my depicted diagram would actually result in before you knew what the pressure gauges were telling you,and then continue on later down the track to say that it is not you that needs second guess what my diagram is showing-after you have already told me how it was incorrect and wouldnt work the way i showed it.

The diagrem is not in any sort of scale MH,but it will do as i depicted.
@ Mark
If you look at the diagram,you can clearly work out what the gages are reading,which is gage pressure. Differential pressure is meassured between two individual sealed medium's-EG,you may have a hydrolic ram where you have a gauge on either side of the piston in the ram-but the medium must be sepperated,and as you can see in my diagram,the medium is not sepperated.

Hope that clears that up.

[EMJunkie]

MileHigh - There are two types of people in this world, talkers and doers!


Talkers can not come to any conclusions other than what they read!

Doers have Intuition, common-sense and a Native Intelligence. My experiments have led me to believe what I believe. No matter how much "Talk" you "Talk", simply, you have not provided a single bit of evidence to the contrary!

What sad and incomplete evidence you have come up with, I have proved, References, Video, supporting Documentation, that has shown you to be incorrect.

You asked for a debate, you failed to support your debate! Period!

Others here have shown enough to prove there is something going on at the Equator, their work also supports my experiments!

MileHigh, You have your opinion, I have mine, You think I am wrong, I think youre wrong.

I wonder if you can agree, to disagree?

1: In magnetism, a domain wall is an interface separating magnetic domains.
2: A magnetic domain is a region within a magnetic material which has uniform magnetization.
3: A Bloch wall is a narrow transition region at the boundary between magnetic domains, over which the magnetization changes from its value in one domain to that in the next, named after the physicist Felix Bloch.

I believe there is a polarisation difference between North and South. How about you be an adult and stop criticizing others for their Intuition and grow up!

Your Actions here have brought about definitions that fit with your Dogma! Don't like being defined, then here's an idea, live and let live! Be an Adult!

If you're afraid of sailing off the edge of the Earth because of the Flat Earth Theory? Then Don't go Sailing!

[MileHigh]

That's just a lot of hot air Chris.  I spent 10 years of my life in school and at work working on a bench.  I once made an estimate that I have about 4500 hours of experience on a bench.  It's not a huge amount of time nor is it a small amount of time.  I asked you if you would do experiments like measuring the amount of energy stored in the core of a transformer because I have done it myself.

You are just deluding yourself.  The "doers" crap falls flat.  If you are deluded and "doing" then all you end up doing is deluding yourself even more.

You were so technically out of it that you didn't even understand the architecture of a bar magnet and you were not capable of visualizing what is going on in a bar magnet.  Perhaps after this discussion on this thread you can, but clearly before the thread started discussing your issues you couldn't.

I believe there is a polarisation difference between North and South.

North and south don't even exist, they are just a naming convention.  You entered this thread believing that they existed and that there was a Bloch wall between the "north half" and the "south half" of a magnet.  Are you any wiser now I wonder or are you just going to continue bluffing your way through?

The issues are with you, and for you to contemplate.  If you are true to yourself you will take your nonsensical YouTube clips down.  You want an example of how not to behave?   Take a look at Daniel Nunez and his bird's nest "Rodin" coils.  The guy is so clueless that he barely even knows what he is doing on a bench and he can't make measurements at all.  I know this from watching lots of his clips.  It's simply painful watching and listening to him.  Yet he is considered to be a luminary in the free energy cottage industry.  You absolutely do not want to be like Daniel Nunez.  It up to you if you want to continue educating yourself or if you are just going to continue bluffing your audience and bluffing yourself.

[EMJunkie]

That's just a lot of hot air Chris.

Which is no different to your Piffle Milehigh.

[MarkE]

 

What i have been trying to do is show you the independant value of each field,insted of the unified field as depicted by most magnetic field diagrams. Quote Verpies- just like attraction force is related to magnetic flux density gradient.
So my figure 8 is showing the mapped flux density of each individual pole.

So finally we get to an agreement:  You have been mapping flux density with representations the rest of the world uses to map flux.  Do you now withdraw your objections to the truth of the representations of flux as normally used?

Now.as far as my diagram depicting a pump,pipes and gages.
You(as usual) were the first to comment.
Quote: post 841- Were the pressure actually zero at the middle of the upper pipe segment, there would not be any impetus for water to continue to flow past that point.

Other that this being incorrect,you have already made a statement in regards to how the system would opperate-->this was post 841.
Then in post -849 Quote: Negative differential pressure is common.  Negative gauge pressure which is negative differential pressure relative to the local atmosphere is common.  Negative absolute pressure requires that a volume contain less than zero matter.  There is no such known condition.

Where was absolute pressure show or mentioned in my diagram and post?.

Post 851 Quote: Tinman where did you say qualify pressure as gage or differential?  It is up to you to say what you mean.  I can go out and buy pressure sensors that are any of the three:  differential, gage, or absolute.

If i have have given no indication as to wether it is gage or differential pressure,then how did you make your decisions that your reply 841 was based around when you didnt know the value of the pressures?.
post 857 Quote:-It is not up to me to second guess you.  It is up to you to specify your proposed set-up.
But you have already taken a guess,as you posted what you think should be the case in post 841.

MH then says this-Quote: I think you need to check the attitude there Tinman.
Im guessing this is based around my three word's-oh-sorry Mark.
AC posted what i thought to ba a legitimate proposal-Quote: However if we were to add a slight restriction or boundary condition at the middle where the pressure gauge is located then everything works perfectly which is of course applied mechanics 101. In a closed system as velocity increases the pressure decreases and the energy is then not in the pressure but the momentum ie. mass velocity of the fluid.

Your reply Mark was to laugh in the face of another fellow experimentor Quote: LOL, place a differential pressure gauge across your restriction and tell me which side of the restriction it indicates has the higher pressure.
No word from MH saying that you need a attitude check.

Fair or not, the statement that AC offered was to me so preposterous that I think it deserved the LOL.  I think that if you go back through even just this thread you will find that I have been very patient with you.  I believe that I have focused on the technical issues.  MH speaks for himself.  He is far more concerned with who calls who names than I am.  There are on these threads some posters who behave very poorly, and generally I simply don't bother with them.

We see this all to often,the big guns thinking that they are better than the rest of us,and what they do or say to others they concider below them is all ok from the other big guns,and nothing is said about any attitude check. There are of course exceptions amoungst those that have great knowledge in EE.

That is something that I put effort into avoiding.  I try to help people who want to try things out, or understand science better.  I try to stay above the fray of name calling and feces flinging.  In dealing with you, a person I hold in respect, I take particular effort, whether that shows or not.

So my biggest beef was you making a formal conclusion about how and what my depicted diagram would actually result in before you knew what the pressure gauges were telling you,and then continue on later down the track to say that it is not you that needs second guess what my diagram is showing-after you have already told me how it was incorrect and wouldnt work the way i showed it.

Fair enough. 

The diagrem is not in any sort of scale MH,but it will do as i depicted.
@ Mark
If you look at the diagram,you can clearly work out what the gages are reading,which is gage pressure. Differential pressure is meassured between two individual sealed medium's-EG,you may have a hydrolic ram where you have a gauge on either side of the piston in the ram-but the medium must be sepperated,and as you can see in my diagram,the medium is not sepperated.

Hope that clears that up.