Magdrive HHO Generators

[hartiberlin]

Hi Walter,
well I studied all the videos of the Magdrive yeasterday and indeed they claim with their installation of their SuperGen inside their F-150 car, that they can now drive this with just water ! Although they don?t recommend it, cause the rust will make the engine go bad after a while..!

[hartiberlin]

Well,it looks from their videos that they really get now 1 Gallon of Hydroxy per minute from just 12 Volts * 15 Amps, that is just 180 Watts input only, that is a very good gas output for under 200 Watts of input !

[mikestocks2006]

Well,it looks from their videos that they really get now 1 Gallon of Hydroxy per minute from just 12 Volts * 15 Amps, that is just 180 Watts input only, that is a very good gas output for under 200 Watts of input !

Couple of thoughts on the volume per minute. 1 Gallon is about 3.8 litters. 3.785 to be more exact

As an example, let?s take a 1 Litter (1000 cc) displacement internal combustion 4 stroke engine idling at 1000 rpm.

The air-fuel volume intake per cycle is 250 ccs or ? of Litter. At 1000 rpm (1000 cycles per minute) it requires
1000 x .25 = 250 Litters per minute or about 66 Gallons of volume air-fuel mixture, ofc assuming atmospheric pressure and no supercharger or turbo involved (it would need even more volume then)

To have the 1000 cc engine run at 1000 rpm, would a mixture of 1 part volume H HO and 65 parts AIR do the job without any other hydrocarbon additives? Maybe it is. Does anyone know what type of reaction takes place in these ratios of  1 part H HO  and  65 parts AIR (21% O2 ? 78% N2 approx)? and what are the byproducts of such reaction?
Any combustion engineers in the forum please chime in.

Maybe it?s a new type of reaction largely unexplored and/or the heat generated (would require an exothermic reaction) is so high that the air pressure at that high temp within the chamber?s volume produces the power during the power cycle of the engine.

On a side note,
H-HO by it self at 1 Gallon per min without any air added doesn?t seem to be enough to satisfy the volume intake requirements.
If I recall from the basics, H HO stoichiometricaly is not exploding per se but actually implodes back to liquid water. However; it does create an almost perfect vacuum in the process and if I also recall correctly the reaction is endothermic (absorbs heat from the environment to recombine the gasses back to the liquid form.)

Just a couple of thoughts...

From the videos it seems it?s working on pure water, and that is all it would really matter at the end.!

[hartiberlin]

Well, yes, but they probably mix it somehow still with air !
In the video you can see the vacuum gauge meter and it still
displays around 17 to 22 PSI vacuum pressure when the motor
runs on pure HHO.
Maybe they still mix it inside the carburator with air..

Also from my own experiments I know, that a vacuum can pull
a lot more HHO gas from the electrolyser !

That is one trick to get much more gas out there !
Also they run it just WITHOUT a bubbler, which I find personaly is
pretty dangerous as they also use stainless steel for the container
and if their flashback arrestor does not work in any instance,
this will be a big bomb going off, but it seems
to be the only solution to be
able to pull the vacuum above the gas and thus produce a lot
more gas via the vacuuma and don?t use an expensive vacuum pump
for this...


If I start again experimenting with HHO gas production I would
rather go with a vacuum pump to produce a vacuum above the gas
and better use only plastic cylinders and only stainless steel mesh
inside the electrolyser and have a bubbler behind it for safety reasons...

But maybe someone from the forum can order such a unit for his car,
hey these are already available and only go between 170 and 300 US$ and
you can at least save 30 to 50 % fuel, if you go just for the booster version...

Unfortunately they only ship inside the USA, so I can not order it.

It would be good to see this fitted to an external 2000 Watts
powersupply motor-generator
combination and see, if this unit can power itsself and still power
a few incandescent lamps with it !

This would be a nice test, if someone could do this and would prove the overunity
factor in these devices !

Many thanks !

Regards, Stefan.

[Walter Hofmann]

Hi stefan,
if they would garanty that the unit can power for instance a 10 horsepower generator engine I would order the super mini what they say is for compact cars.
But I still got some problemes from my experience, it is a singele cell unit connectet to the 12V batterie but they claim the unit only works on 1.5V big question mark, the second part is they use similar to my horizontal plate assembly and my tests did show the temperature rises on 12 V above 100 degree F or maybe they mean 100degree C what is pretty high. on the open unit vid what I have seen on bubbles is nothing just springles. My open cells shows big bubbles about 3/4 inch. The next portion is like you allready pointet out without a bubbler is realy dangerous just in the engine compartement from the engine there are temperature of about 160 degree then add about 100 degree and a steel container which heats up too, I dont know.
For the vacuum I have tested a few versions including the engine suctionbut with a bubbler and all of them have failed probably do to the bubbler in the moment if the suction of the engine pulls it stops the gas flow thats my main probleme with this. Maybe it has to do with the orifi what they use, I did try it but it did not work different.
I will try it out with direct drive without a bubbler lets see.
greetings
walt