Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter

[plengo]

I think graphite and magnesium would be an interesting test. I haven't done that yet... see...

http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/AnodeCathode.gif

Teo

I have done that. It ate Magnesium like butter. 


Fausto.

[tgraca]

From my notes on DiveFlyFish - smaller cathode provides more power...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ilhypkTrU8

I built a cell this morning to test mass of copper versus mass of mag and found that less mag works fine. I have about 12" of 24 AWG copper and embedded a 1" piece of mag strip in the cell with only about 1/4" in the electrolyte and am getting 1.6V and 6 mA. Here's another guy on another thread here that ran a similar test. He says he gets 1.8 V and about 1/2 mA...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6cxcAdVgqQ

Fausto, when I get back, I am going to run my initial tests with small amounts of mag and see how that goes and put various distances between the electrodes to see what works better, which is the other issue I want to test... should be fun! -teo

PS - if you watch this video, take note on why you might want to solder some alligator clips onto the ends of your probes... I have done this with all of my meters and am glad of it...

[plengo]

Yeap, I do use alligator clips attached to my probes. It is quite funny to see his problems too. 


I also have done that kind of cell and one day I went to attached the alligator clip to the Mg and it came out just the tip of it, in other words, it was totally corrode, GONE. I was so disappointed.


Magnesium is excellent for output power BUT very sensitive to corrosion. Water and copper in any shape will eat it up, no matter how much epson, rochelle, salt and any other household items one can think.


One of my findings is around water retention in the CRYSTAL but not in the electrolyte. Easier said than done.


Another thing that is misleading many tests I see in videos is the fact the OXYGEN will accelerate the oxidation of one of the poles (cathode or anode) and destroy the cell making the whole chemistry another think of its own and skewing the results.


That is one of the reasons I first use transparent packing tape and later casting into a resin. The results are very dramatic. The graphs also show the difference in its curve (more linear and less exponential) and also allows you to see better the real results of the cell decay.


Another thing I found out (my monkey science) that more than one crystal IS GOOD. THe different growth rate and water absorption of the crystals have an interesting effect. Difficult to explain from my intuition into more exact science terms. One can test that by changing one item only in its formula by adding another crystal.


Here is my understanding of partially what is happening in the cell (besides regular corrosion). The plates creates the potential difference , volts (duuu, that one every body knows). The crystal attracts and holds the water and as it grows absorbing the water it causes water electron loss that is attracted by the voltage differential of the plates. THis is PART of the ion exchange of regular REDOX. Next the crystal starts vibrating in its piezo effect when the electrons flow, that is very interesting (i can see that in the graphs), therefore, more output power, so a kind of snow ball effect here. Next water becoming unbalanced because of loosing electrons will cause the crystals to EXPEL out its own water to balance out the electrolyte too charge (pos or negative), this causes the piezo effect AGAIN but this time in the reverse order, recharging the cell.


This cycle will continue while the regular corrosion continues until there are no more plates left.


Now, in my opinion this is the EXTRA uncounted energy that many see intuitively in the cells but cannot really account for it, for lack of a BASELINE.


In the other thread (http://www.overunity.com/15043/new-cell-type-nanocrystal-oxide/)  Jon is doing a great work in conjunction with profitis to stablish that BASELINE in more scientific terms. This will help us a lot.


Fausto.

[tgraca]

Yeap, I do use alligator clips attached to my probes. It is quite funny to see his problems too.  I also have done that kind of cell and one day I went to attached the alligator clip to the Mg and it came out just the tip of it, in other words, it was totally corrode, GONE. I was so disappointed.

My mag strips break off all the time... I find that if you keep the corrosive salts or other electrolyte materials away from the mag strip, it lasts much longer. With the glue portion of the electrolyte (if used), it's fairly easy not to put the other corrosive electrolyte materials near the mag strip. I notice that copper doesn't seem to have much trouble with this, but I do the same for copper and other materials anyway. ibpointless2 made a great breakthrough with glue - thanks ib! One technique I use is to pull multiple mag strips taped together out of the cell, like the one I sent you... it's got more to be broken, so it's stronger... I'll check in while I'm away, so let me know what you think! - teo

PS - I am checking my cell #175 from back in April this year and it builds the voltage up to 1116 mV under load on that JT circuit I sent you... the crystal cell (#327) I sent you could only build it up to about 1076 mV... I think there is more length of electrodes in the earlier version... I just think it's amazing that this thing still kicks after 7 months.. fun!

PSS - if anyone is interested, this is the current configuration I am using for my JT circuit and my current electrolyte mix design for burying the crystal cell with a plant in my home... http://offthegridsolar.net/Solar/REC_images/JT2c.png

[tgraca]

Fausto, I ordered the last of what I need to replicate your crystal cells. It should be in late next week. Let me know how that circuit is working for you. I came back from vacation just now and found mine still blinking with 418 mV in the cap. When I left over a week ago, it had about that much in it... interesting! -teo