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Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter

Started by plengo, October 24, 2014, 11:36:59 AM

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Heavens Pavement

@ tgracia is that a polarity cap?and the resister across it?
    also I have some 10 uh inductors, the ones that look little green resisters, think they will work?
    If you coil your own, please tut, I have plenty of number 31wire and 26 for that matter, much thanks!
@ Fausto theres a new dance out called the Fausto Sizzle, lol ..
    F149 is the same as F134 so I'm good for my next build, the triple roll ;)
I've got lots of white LEDs from a CHRISTmas light special, family thinks I'm nuts, well until we had a power outage, girls are all asking "dad were are your experiments " they used them all night and next day because not a single flash light could be found...
mine are only a one wrap around 2 mag strips,made a few months ago still going , but they only last a few hours, but hey they work.
you inspired me to pick this crystal battery thing up again and get involved, had to put the 3d printer project aside for a bit lol.
You can tell in some of your vids a genuine excitement in your voice when you nailed it.
Awsome work my friend and thanks for sharing!!

plengo

Quote from: Heavens Pavement on December 01, 2014, 11:47:56 PM
@ tgracia is that a polarity cap?and the resister across it?
    also I have some 10 uh inductors, the ones that look little green resisters, think they will work?
    If you coil your own, please tut, I have plenty of number 31wire and 26 for that matter, much thanks!
@ Fausto theres a new dance out called the Fausto Sizzle, lol ..
    F149 is the same as F134 so I'm good for my next build, the triple roll ;)
I've got lots of white LEDs from a CHRISTmas light special, family thinks I'm nuts, well until we had a power outage, girls are all asking "dad were are your experiments " they used them all night and next day because not a single flash light could be found...
mine are only a one wrap around 2 mag strips,made a few months ago still going , but they only last a few hours, but hey they work.
you inspired me to pick this crystal battery thing up again and get involved, had to put the 3d printer project aside for a bit lol.
You can tell in some of your vids a genuine excitement in your voice when you nailed it.
Awsome work my friend and thanks for sharing!!


F149 is an improvement over F134. We are working on F149 (well at least me). Teo is working in many variations as he can, which is awesome.
My Kids love those lights too, my wife does not because I put them besides my bed and they make a bright light when your eyes get used to the dark.


Well, I hope I give some "inspiration" for others to continue this research. I "did not get it" yet. I do have some awesome cells running beyond my understanding and belief. They will die, may be, but so far it is running very strongly. I also noticed that temperature makes a huge difference in 100th of a volt of the output power.


One thing is for sure, if this cell dies, I will be disappointed AGAIN BUT I will learn from it a lot. This one is the WINNER hands down in performance, durability, stability, size and cost. The only problem so far is to replicate it without having to wait 12 months of "dormancy".


There are too many variables right now flying on this setup. The formula is solid and replicatable but the build process is tricky. I have not seen anyone build JUST LIKE I DID to the DOT, so it is difficult to believe someone will replicate this cell of mine so far. Let's see.


Geometry IS EVERYTHING in this cell, really is. It took me a long time to figure out the geometry with the kitchen paper towel to get the crystal separated from the rest of the chemicals.


Sometimes one must think like a monkey. The monkey sees the banana and goes like: hmmm, she is so bright and appealing. So he peels her off very slowlyyyyyyyy. Almost like humans. Get it?


Fausto.


tgraca

Quote from: Heavens Pavement on December 01, 2014, 11:47:56 PM
@ tgracia is that a polarity cap?and the resister across it?
    also I have some 10 uh inductors, the ones that look little green resisters, think they will work?
    If you coil your own, please tut, I have plenty of number 31wire and 26 for that matter, much thanks!
Fausto doesn't like to spoon feed us, but I need the spoons, so here's one for you... lol

10 uH doesn't offer much inductance and I haven't had much luck with that level in JT circuits for these crystal cells, although it
can be done. If you can invest $4.79 and have a few weeks, this is a great deal on 200 inductors with 20 values up to 4.7 mH.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271313527679?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
You can find 100 of those 10 mH inductors for about $10 delivered too on eBay.

I like the polarized caps in the JT circuit better for crystal batteries because it pulses the power back to the positive on the crystal batteries.
I think this helps keep them alive longer, but I could be wrong... it's just the way I have always done it, and from day 1 my cells
have always lasted a long time. I like 100 uF because it creates slower pulses, but any value would work. When you start experimenting
with the various values of components in a JT circuit, it's really slims up the possibilities to fix at least one.* I got a deal on 100 uF caps
last year and just ordered some smaller ones to make my JTC's a little smaller. Here's a great deal - 100 for $1.82....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221568727154?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Be careful... this is getting to be big money now!!! lol

I use a variable resistor as the main variable in the circuit and then fix the value and use a small 1/4 watt resistor of that value. With this
technique, you will need a breadboard and an LC meter to determine what value the variable resistor is set at. With LC meters, the cheaper
ones are better. I have wasted money on the more expensive ones. There is a little blue one available for about $20 shipped, which I have
found to be accurate enough for my work (play).

When winding coils, remember that the gauge of the wire does not affect the inductance. It does affect the resistance of the coil inductors.
These 2 values per coil is a major factor in the reactance of your system. For these little inductors, they don't have much resistance until
you get past 1 mH. For hand wound coils, I usually wind bifilar style, which works great for JT circuits, but it takes a lot of winds to get
inductance. I use bolts/washers/nuts as cores** and 350 winds gives about 6 mH, so it is a lot of winding and counting. Some people get
these circuits working really well with 20 winds, but I have always needed at least 50. I am usually disappointed when I see someone get
something working and although I appreciate that they share it, I always wish they would "spoon feed" us a little more and talk about
their failures and how they got it working. Simple things like LC meter readings on the inductance of their coils and the number of winds,
etc. really help.

*If you take that JT circuit and view it as 4 variable valued components (2 inductors, 1 cap, and 1 resistor) and figure 20 possible values
(as a premise), you have 4 to the 20th power of possible combinations, which is 1,099,511,627,776 (over a trillion). Fixing one value,
like the cap, gives you 3 to the 20th power of possible combinations, which is 3,486,784,401 (3.5 billion) - that's a lot less! lol
The variable resistor helps in that you can adjust it to find the resistance you need, which brings us down to 2 to the 20th power
(1,048,576 - just over a million), and so these are just the inductors. Fix one of those, like 10 mH or 1 mH on the base of the transistor,
and you bring the possibilities down to the second inductor on the collector (20) and the variable resistor. Have fun! lol

**I get bolts/washers/nuts for $2 per pound locally, so I have a large collection of these and actually used them and some wood to make
a coil winder... that might make a good video, eh!

PS - JT's are not the only circuits. Bedini uses something else, and running the LED off the emitter instead of off the collector works well
too. Note that I have been using the 3904 NPN transistors for these forever, but just ordered some 2N2222's, which for some reason
have suddenly become readily available and really cheap, so I'll have a chance to play with those soon... a new fixed variable JT component!




Heavens Pavement

@tgracia thanks for the links ,they don't ship to Alaska :( besides my expirment money is not although the the meter you mentioned should be on my list, I've got some scrap electronics , I do have plenty of 2n2222 and some veritable resisters, my JT have been hit an miss...mostly miss..lol so I went to 3 cells lighting a led for hours and I'm happy with them, but Faustos vids got stoked again, got 3 wrapped cells with the F 149 only had time to sizzle one cell but I don't think I was long enough.,arg ran out of time.
@Fausto the f149 mix dried to a pretty black crystal mix and the more wraps / formula gave a , for a lack of a better term satisfiying reaction. Also my Epsom mix before was  no where near a strong as yours, so glad I asked, .
I really like your electrolysis method for the one way gate for the mag and copper, beats cooking it.
Thought this was cool....
http://www.ledsales.com.au/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=384
Good night gents.."

tgraca

Quote from: Heavens Pavement on December 02, 2014, 03:58:22 AM
@tgracia thanks for the links ,they don't ship to Alaska
The inductors will ship to Alaska and there are other sources for other things mentioned, but there is a certain amount of fun working with
scrap components you dig out of the trash. I have a large collection of scrapped electronics components, but haven't played with them
much. I have a to-do list too! lol

I love quotes, so here's one from George Carlin: Never put off 'til tomorrow, what you can put off 'til the next day! lol