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Crystal Cell Research for Experimenter

Started by plengo, October 24, 2014, 11:36:59 AM

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tgraca

It was 14 days old today and was getting dim. 721 mV on load. This was the dry build with PVC pipe - Fausto's mix will a
borax/water solution as the only water on the coffee filter around the mag strip and only 24" of 24 AWG copper wrapped
tightly around the coffee filter - dry electrolyte pinched in....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UChgvI68y5M - original video on this cell

I punched a hole in one end and watered it... it built up quickly to 1044 mV under load. I pulled it apart to check the
electrodes... with most of the electrolyte still in the PVC pipe and just a bit on the electrodes, it was showing 1756 mV
without load and 16+ mA on short, but went down to about 12 mA in about 15 seconds.

I washed it and found some black coating on the copper, but no deterioration. The borax had crystallized to some
extent on the mag strips and there was very little deterioration... barely any, but there was some. I will probably
recycle the electrodes...

I noticed that it was shorting out a bit after I punched a hole to water the cell. I think that taping copper wire onto the
mag strip just isn't going to work for me. I have to factor in the cost of a little alligator clip per cell now... oh well....
this solution works well... The alligator clip is soldered on to the emitter side of the JT and also offers an easy access
point for testing amp draw (load). ;)  -t

tgraca

Quote from: Heavens Pavement on December 05, 2014, 01:01:30 AM
Here is a f149cell (with f30v treatment) on charted over night, kept getting brighter before i went to bed. oscillator quit workings the only reason i took it off(drat)
the other is a old alum cell given the the f30v treatment with alum, 24 hours later just as bright, this is my longest running cell by far!
How long did it run? It looks like it was about 500 mV under load. What is the draw (mA load) on that JT with that battery?

plengo

Quote from: Heavens Pavement on December 05, 2014, 01:01:30 AM
Here is a f149cell (with f30v treatment) on charted over night, kept getting brighter before i went to bed. oscillator quit workings the only reason i took it off(drat)
the other is a old alum cell given the the f30v treatment with alum, 24 hours later just as bright, this is my longest running cell by far!


Great work. THe graph is the F149, what happen in the end? It went up so fast? Is that the part where it was under load?


Let is DIE. Do not add water or anything. Let it DIE first, which is the phase it will become "dormant".


Will you be able to later put the Alum cell under the graph too?




Fausto.

plengo

Quote from: tgraca on December 04, 2014, 12:10:14 PM
I think that if you don't zap cells, it's important to put them under load right away. I think this polarizes the electrolyte while it is forming


This was the first reason for my original FC62. I noticed that cells that are born under load performed better than cells not under load at LONG TERM.


Fausto.

plengo

Quote from: tgraca on December 05, 2014, 12:21:51 PM
It was 14 days old today and was getting dim. 721 mV on load. This was the dry build with PVC pipe - Fausto's mix will a
borax/water solution as the only water on the coffee filter around the mag strip and only 24" of 24 AWG copper wrapped
tightly around the coffee filter - dry electrolyte pinched in....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UChgvI68y5M - original video on this cell

I punched a hole in one end and watered it... it built up quickly to 1044 mV under load. I pulled it apart to check the
electrodes... with most of the electrolyte still in the PVC pipe and just a bit on the electrodes, it was showing 1756 mV
without load and 16+ mA on short, but went down to about 12 mA in about 15 seconds.

I washed it and found some black coating on the copper, but no deterioration. The borax had crystallized to some
extent on the mag strips and there was very little deterioration... barely any, but there was some. I will probably
recycle the electrodes...

I noticed that it was shorting out a bit after I punched a hole to water the cell. I think that taping copper wire onto the
mag strip just isn't going to work for me. I have to factor in the cost of a little alligator clip per cell now... oh well....
this solution works well... The alligator clip is soldered on to the emitter side of the JT and also offers an easy access
point for testing amp draw (load). ;)  -t


Excellent. We need to determine if the corrosion in the Mg is because the initial formation or was also because its life usage. That has been the CORNERSTONE of my research when I noticed that I could not "intuitively" account for the energy out based in only corrosion.


Fausto.