GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

[TinselKoala]

We have now entered the bizarro zone of ou.com folks.

And have transitioned from baseless claims of fraud despite the fact there is an unknown component in the unit which could be the key to its operation, to proof of concept being demanded from people who also have no idea what the mystery component is.

Regards...

If you are talking about my question, I don't see the rationale for your complaint. If the amount of water that the claimant says to add completely fills the tank or even partially submerges the Pelton wheel, the efficiency of the Pelton system goes _way_ down. And this then would be a further inconsistency about the device that would add to the total "tells" that the device does not operate as claimed.

But of course... this complaint comes from a real troll, Captain Zero, who contributes nothing to the discussion but merely attacks the discussants.

[Cap-Z-ro]

Only a massive ego could possibly relate my post to this troll's posted droolings.

Its all about TK all the time I guess.

Regards...

[MarkE]

We have now entered the bizarro zone of ou.com folks.

And have transitioned from baseless claims of fraud despite the fact there is an unknown component in the unit which could be the key to its operation, to proof of concept being demanded from people who also have no idea what the mystery component is.

Regards...

LOL.  That's quite the argument from ignorance:  Very willful ignorance.  We also don't know if they hid fairies under the wire nuts.  Neither matters.  GDS claims the machine is powered by energy from a fuel source that doesn't have any energy to give. 

[Nink]

I don't think he has claimed over unity anywhere, just claimed it runs on water. 

He probably could have put a 12 volt HOH generator (run a current through a dozen stainless steal plates and collected the gas)  and ran a HOH motor of it so he could legally say it runs on water. Yes you would have the HOH generation stop when the battery went flat but it would have at least been a valid claim.

He could have also used an osmotic generator by putting both Sea water and Fresh water in the device and using pressure retarded osmosis  but again I fail to see that occurring and he specifically says no salt water and we would need a few thousand liter water tanks or two hoses one connected to fresh and one to salt.

He could have connected a garden hose and at least supplemented the power with the pelton generator and create maybe 2 or 3 watts (and perhaps he did that in an earlier version) but I agree that if this is actually connected in the current form it would only retard the system consuming energy for the sake of mixing the water.

He could be using the water and the pelton wheel to create waves in the tank and then use the salter's  duck method or other form of wave energy generator to convert the waves into electricity but in this small space I can't see him getting more than a couple of watts of power and the water would not depreciate (unless he has a leak). 

He could have use a tidal energy method and had two tanks with the water flowing from the top tank to the bottom tank and use the water pressure to turn the turbine and generate power but again no second tank (unless the water spills on the ground) but a few liters is not going to last more than a few minutes and <1 watt.

The wheel in the water tank could be a minto wheel or some type of heat transfer engine with evaporation (One Hundred Drinking birds) this would explain the fact you need to refill the water as the evaporative cooling method would consume a small amount of water over time. But again only create < 1 watt. 

He does have water in the battery for electrolyses as  part of the charging process and the fact the batteries have handles and do not appear to be secured I get the feeling they need to  be charged frequently.  Without the water it would not work so I guess he could say it does in fact use water but this maybe a stretch. 

[MileHigh]

Here's what I think on my more charitable times: Gregory Potter is another self-deluded "inventor" who thinks his system will work, and who is so confident it will that he has started selling it before it is ready to go. We have seen this kind of self-delusion before many times. He provides a partial demonstration as "evidence" that he has something to sell. We have seen this before many times. When challenged about the claims, they start to be altered, and the past claims get covered up. We have seen this before, many times. And the people who are most vocal in pointing out the problems and inconsistencies in the claimant's behaviour and claims... they get attacked and insulted... but never refuted. We have seen this before, many times!

Then I come to my senses and think "Wayne Travis".....

Well I hope that you are back!  I personally refuse to give one of these people the benefit of the doubt.  Something like "It ran for 10 minutes at high power so I thought that it could do the same thing for 12 hours."  Lies!

Jamie, this new guy, whomever, they simply can't be so stupid such that they don't do a load test to meet their "performance criteria."  It just doesn't make sense and I refuse to believe this scenario can be true.

Meanwhile, on this thread, there has also been a lot of discussion that makes no sense at all.  For example, all of this talk of a pelton wheel is crazy.  Do you have any idea what kind of water pressure and flow rate it would take to produce three or five kilowatts of rotational mechanical output from the pelton wheel?  Are you supposed to hook up the generator to a high-pressure fire hydrant?  Likewise all of this crazy talk about "Rube Goldberg" recycling of energy inside the box.  Evey single step would be under unity, it's just nonsense talk.  Likewise Captain Zero does the "magic box" argument.  There could be a "magic box" in any possible free energy devcice that you can imagine.

This one is a transparent fraud. The degrees that people will bend over to "make an accommodation" in their thought processes because of a desire to believe is hard to believe itself.

The little black box that holds water inside the big black box does NOTHING.  It's just a prop that does nothing.  Just like the whole box does nothing, it is a PROP.  When the guy shows it powering a hand drill, that's because there is a battery powering an inverter inside the big box.

I am also feeling that the guy in the clip is just a frontman that knows nothing.  He is being paid to put a public face on this fraud and the real perpetrator that dreamt up this scheme is behind the camera.

MileHigh