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GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

Started by ramset, October 25, 2014, 09:24:26 PM

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MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on December 04, 2014, 11:13:31 AM

The cost of refining petroleum does not justify it's production alone. The manufacturing of plastic is needed to make the process profitable. The other thing is, the COP of the Kanzius burn process depends on the amount of water placed in the radiation zone and the number of  burners ignited. It can cost less to burn water his way then to manufacture petroleum.
Where do you get those ideas? 

Refineries use their own feedstock for power. 

Kanzius takes salt water, adds lots of energy by wave of microwaves, produces intermediate products of salt, hydrogen, and oxygen gasses, combusts the hydrogen with the oxygen, and ends up back with the salt water feedstock.  Kanzius RIP would have been better off just taking electricity from the outlet to power whatever he wanted.

centraflow

Quote from: TinselKoala on December 03, 2014, 08:54:30 PM
Kanzius uses a lot of electric power, as microwaves, to turn the water into gases, then he burns the gases. Since he is burning salt water, it burns with the characteristic yellow flame of sodium. He is putting in a lot more energy than he is getting out, and guess what the "ash" is of his burning: it is water.

To claim that he is "burning water" as a fuel is about the same thing as claiming you are eating dirt with sunshine dressing, when you have a nice green salad for brunch.


The frequency generated to start with was in the 13-14Mhz range (13.56Mhz) which is High Frequency, 13.56Mhz is the industrial frequency which does not need a license. The final frequency in the water is another thing, what a lot do not understand is this was using a feedback, similar to a microphone infront of a speaker, but in this case a reciever on the other side of the test tube. The resulting EM waves have a profound effect on the oxygen more than the hydrogen, creating elongation of the molecular bond and finally breaking the bond (it is infact molecular stress that finally breaks the bond), NaCl is just a catylist to create a charge separation, there are others that can do this as well.


I believe the input power was 300w (input and not radiating) and tests done by third parties showed that it was up in the 90% efficient as it stood, so correct not OU. This was taken on by the navy and is to be used (is used) to make aircraft fuel onboard the aircraft carriers, energy used not being a problem when you have only 25% of their reactor power being used, so energy comes for free in this case ;)  and so does the starting material, the ocean, CO2 maybe needed if the ocean does not supply enough, but I believe it does.


This is not new, it was done back in the 70's and again in the 80's, just a little covered within the description (poetic licence? I'm sure it was).


Best regards


Mike G6GVA amongst others

synchro1

Quote from: MarkE on December 04, 2014, 12:11:45 PM
Where do you get those ideas? 

Refineries use their own feedstock for power. 

Kanzius takes salt water, adds lots of energy by wave of microwaves, produces intermediate products of salt, hydrogen, and oxygen gasses, combusts the hydrogen with the oxygen, and ends up back with the salt water feedstock.  Kanzius RIP would have been better off just taking electricity from the outlet to power whatever he wanted.

The U.S. Navy makes fuel this way. Now you look real smart again with your impudent RCMP credentials.

MarkE

Quote from: synchro1 on December 04, 2014, 03:42:01 PM

The U.S. Navy makes fuel this way. Now you look real smart again with your impudent RCMP credentials.
Synchro1 read what you just wrote:  "The US Navy makes fuel this way."  Neither the water nor the carbon dioxide feed stocks are fuel.  They are feed stock to a process that makes fuel out of those feed stocks by using a lot of energy. 

I don't know what you are on about with the RCMP.

Here is something to think about:  Are hydrocarbons the ultimate hydrogen storage mechanism?  Suppose that one had a convenient and low-cost way to capture tail pipe CO2.  Suppose also that one had a: clean, plentiful, and cheap source of electricity.  One could then take advantage of the advantages of liquid fuels without having to pull oil from the ground, or dump net CO2 into the atmosphere. 

Nink

If you attach a wind turbine to the roof of your electric car will you charge your battery as you drive along so you can drive further?

If I put a Pelton wheel in front of my electric water pump can I use the energy crrated to ruñ the water pump.

If I convert water to HOH can I use the hydrogen gas to convert more water to HOH?

Yes you will generate energy from all these examples but the energy created is less than the energy used to create it.

I can't believe we continue to have this discussion