The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[Cap-Z-ro]

Shhuuuurrrrre

[SeaMonkey]

Though it is true that Miles Higher nurtures a strong
case of cognitive dissonance relative to certain matters,
his thoughts regarding the Lenz Effect and what has
come to be known as the Delayed Lenz Effect have credibility.

With conventional dynamos and generators the Lenz Effect
maximizes within the region of maximum magnetic field
strength;  hence it manifests as a strong physical resistance
to movement by the prime mover.

In order to minimize the Lenz Effect (which is truly inescapable)
it should be maximized in the region of minimum magnetic field
strength within the dynamo or generator.  With electronic switching
techniques this is fairly easily accomplished.

With the old style DC generators it may be accomplished by re-
positioning the brushes contact area with the commutator.

Of course this has been tried in the distant past and it will work
to some extent.  The problem is that the electrical output of the
generator falls to a small fraction of what it would have been
under 'normal' operating conditions.

There are new types of generators and alternators which by their
unique designs do reduce the Lenz Effect without any loss of electrical
output power.  None have yet achieved 'over unity.'

[Cap-Z-ro]

That wood be a yes and a no SeaM.

" Though it is true that Miles Higher nurtures a strong
case of cognitive dissonance relative to certain matters,..."

An unqualified yes.



"...his thoughts regarding the Lenz Effect and what has
come to be known as the Delayed Lenz Effect have credibility."


And that wood be the no part.

You see, nobody understands magnetism...so, until then, everybody here is just speculating about LENZ effects.

Regards...

[MileHigh]

SeaMonkey:

Reduce the Lenz drag from a generator under load and you end up reducing the power output also!  Very astute!

DogOne:

Yes T.  When the coils have no electrical path, the energy induced in those coils has only one place to dissipate, that being back to the core and on to the rotor as a counter force to the direction of motion.  When the coils are connected to a load, any load, now that energy has an alternate path to dissipate and surprise, surprise, the rotor speed increases due to less counter force.  It may really be that simple.  One can play all the mind screw games they want and the obvious doesn't change.  Having said that, I actually think what you see though is a bit more complicated.  I think the electricity actually passes through the load, goes back to the coil and begins to alter the magnetic field in the core over enough time the force at the pole of the core is reversed as the magnet passes by.

If the generator output coils of a pulse motor are open circuit, then of course no current flows so by the "induced energy" I assume that you mean the ferrite core is the coil gets polarized.  However it won't be a counter force to the direction of motion.  First there will be attraction in the direction of motion, then you pass TDC and then there is an attraction opposite to the direction of motion.  In theory in an ideal case, there is a net-zero effect on the rotor speed.  However, this whacks the main rotor bearing with disturbance torque which is the cogging and that causes bearing friction.  I assume that there will also be some hysteresis and possibly eddy current losses in the core itself but I am not sure how large they will be compared to the cogging losses.

If you are referring to me when you say "mind screw games" or implying that I have ulterior motives that is absolute crap and it's offensive.  There is nothing worse than trying to share knowledge and ideas and then have somebody come along and accuse you of "mind games" when you are trying to have a legitimate technical discussion.  If you weren't talking about me then fine.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

And that wood be the no part.

Captain Zero, I have never seen you make a single original technical comment of your own so you are not qualified to comment on anything technical at all.  You are just a sour puss monger looking to get your sour puss juices flowing.  Got a spot that gets you hot?

Do you think I could interest you in a pair of zircon-encrusted tweezers?  lol