The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[Jimboot]

I've watched your videos, and applaud your effort.  Regretfully however, we are not on the same page.  You have a very complex magnetic configuration, several configurations actually.  I am specifically referring to tests conducted with a standard solenoid, and a rotor with either like or alternating polarity.   There is a difference in function, and in principle.  In my opinion, (which you didn't ask for.....) We don't necessary need to know what magnetism is to understand how it moves, and what happens when it moves, both of which are well documented.  In the example I sight, the magnets move past the coils (standard).   There is none of this iron moving between stationary coils and magnets.

Is our negative bias towards Lenz justified?  Do we see the system as he saw it when he penned the law?  How can we fix and or correct that which we "consider" broken if we don't understand the system where the "negative" effect is manifesting, nor the mechanisms operating within that system which are responsible for the effect we wish to eliminate? 


Regards

Thanks for your opinion! I thought it was implicit in my post. Your response has helped me and for that I thank you

[T-1000]

When moving iron bar becomes alternating magnet as it moves between magnets and coil the induced Lenz force stays between each magnet and coil in each period of time and is always trying to repulse stationary magnet and coil as magnetic flux increase in coil. It is on 90 degrees to iron bar movement and does not affect it in way you can expect with moving magnet. This is what we observe in our experiments. There are no mainstream science books about that case so old fashion experiment first and theory after should happen. The use of this case in generator cause no drag and more experiments need to be conducted before solid theory can be passed back to mainstream scientists...

[Jimboot]

When moving iron bar becomes alternating magnet as it moves between magnets and coil the induced Lenz force stays between each magnet and coil in each period of time and is always trying to repulse stationary magnet and coil as magnetic flux increase in coil. It is on 90 degrees to iron bar movement and does not affect it in way you can expect with moving magnet. This is what we observe in our experiments. There are no mainstream science books about that case so old fashion experiment first and theory after should happen. The use of this case in generator cause no drag and more experiments need to be conducted before solid theory can be passed back to mainstream scientists...

That makes the most sense to me from my experiments

[MileHigh]

No time to waste, you have to experience in first hand on experiment before exchange of videos happen.Especially when 2 pages of your posts in this thread is just talk...

No T-1000, it's not "just talk."  It real and solid information.  Your response is also rude.

You said this:

The bottom line of Lenz law and its use in conventional generators is more than 100 years old and this design has to be improved to the level where we do not fight it anymore at least. The end goal is to exploit the energy from magnets in same way as from the Sun and have generator design laid out where all basic physical forces are employed to work in way we want to have. Obviously the electrical form of energy is used most so the transformation from alternating magnetic field into electricity has to have right design where we do not need to put more energy in than there we have from magnets physical attraction and deflection already...

You are 100% wrong about "extracting energy from magnets."  You also believe that your pendulum system can somehow do something different and you are trying coil shorting techniques which don't really work.  Whatever you are building will generate some kind of output but the way it actually works when you look past the unique design will be 100% conventional.  The conventional output is "hiding" inside your design.  The danger for you is to "believe too much" that you are right and doing something special.  You pendulum setup appears to me like it will modulate some magnetic flux but the flux is going across the top of your coil.  Therefore the windings of the coil are barely cutting any changing magnetic flux because the flux is in the wrong direction.  The flux is primarily left-right but to be effective it should be up-down in your diagram.

Whatever you are building looks like it will have a very low power output because of the very limited amount of changing flux that is cutting through the turns of the coil.

There is no "energy to extract from magnets."  Magnets are just like a tool you hold in your hand like a hammer.  It's you arm that moves the hammer and provides the energy that results in the hammer doing some useful work.

Don't even try telling me that "I have to build it myself."  I am not making any claims, you are the one making the claims at it's up to you to prove them to your peers.  I know it's a lot of fun to just to the building and testing, but, in the true final analysis you will not have "cheated Lenz" or "discovered something new."  I know that you don't believe me.  You are just going to have to do what you are doing and either come to that realization yourself or eventually get bored and move onto something new.

MileHigh

[Jimboot]

No T-1000, it's not "just talk."  It real and solid information.  Your response is also rude.

You said this:

You are 100% wrong about "extracting energy from magnets."  You also believe that your pendulum system can somehow do something different and you are trying coil shorting techniques which don't really work.  Whatever you are building will generate some kind of output but the way it actually works when you look past the unique design will be 100% conventional.  The conventional output is "hiding" inside your design.  The danger for you is to "believe too much" that you are right and doing something special.  You pendulum setup appears to me like it will modulate some magnetic flux but the flux is going across the top of your coil.  Therefore the windings of the coil are barely cutting any changing magnetic flux because the flux is in the wrong direction.  The flux is primarily left-right but to be effective it should be up-down in your diagram.

Whatever you are building looks like it will have a very low power output because of the very limited amount of changing flux that is cutting through the turns of the coil.

There is no "energy to extract from magnets."  Magnets are just like a tool you hold in your hand like a hammer.  It's you arm that moves the hammer and provides the energy that results in the hammer doing some useful work.

Don't even try telling me that "I have to build it myself."  I am not making any claims, you are the one making the claims at it's up to you to prove them to your peers.  I know it's a lot of fun to just to the building and testing, but, in the true final analysis you will not have "cheated Lenz" or "discovered something new."  I know that you don't believe me.  You are just going to have to do what you are doing and either come to that realization yourself or eventually get bored and move onto something new.

MileHigh

Cool that's what I needed to know. Thanks,