The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[Just..Sayin..]

Someone posted a link to alibaba for the generator syair used. I can't find it could you post it again please.

Just search for four pole generator/alternator, there are lots of them, they always are rated at 1500 to 1600 RPM

[kEhYo77]

T-1000,
Iron that is magnetized is no different than a magnet. Trying to move magnetized iron across a  coil will be subject to lenz force the same as a magnet.

If this works at all it would require that the iron become magnetized while already within the coil winding. In this way lenz force could only serve to push iron out of coil or into another magnet of opposite polarity.

I have serious doubts of any of these devices working as imagined, and believe this is a much more complicated process than it appears and any claim of operation should provide full details for replication.

Once someone re-discovers what Syair has shown, then we could verify a working device, since Syair has made a claim and then vanished. (usually a bad sign)

Hi.
I think the only significant Lenz breaking will be due to eddy currents in the iron piece, for sure.


Here is my take on this.

[T-1000]

My friend is assembling generator to my spec in background and I would like to share scope shot from single coil. The coil shorting does not have any effect on rotor as I predicted..

Also 16 stator magnets and 9 blades on rotor still have not very balanced magnetic forces when running free but that is geometry issue to solve later on...

Cheers!

[gyulasun]

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I find the waveform to be different then the standard and would like the opinion of others as to why you would think this would make a difference in a generator.

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Hi Luc,

Have been thinking on the induced waveforms you have shown. I assume you tried to apply the same speed for all the 3 cores by your hand, right?

When I first saw your scope shots, I recalled Naudin's test with two orientations for a coil, where he moved a magnet in front of the coil, then tangentially to the coil, see here: http://jnaudin.free.fr/images/magconfig.gif  from his site http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromexp.htm 
I think the right hand side setup shown in the picture gives a similarly shaped induced voltage you received, even though there are certain differences, I think the tendency is similar.
What I mean on similarity is that all 3 induced voltage waves of yours start with a small (negative) peak which suddenly goes up and peaks in one or two (positive) peaks, then suddenly goes down and change sign again and ends in a small (negative) peak. The order of the peaks (negative) and (positive) could be upside down, depending on the NS or SN placement for you parallel magnets, just like in case of Naudin if he had used a South pole up instead of the North up, his waveform would have started with a small positive polarity first as the S pole moved from left to right.

For your U core and the wide core the 'split into two peaks' of the single positive peaks comes about, I think, because these two cores are able to bridge directly the two magnets with overlaps and the flux of the perm magnets (mainly in the top part) would prefer closing via the appearing U or wide cores when they are just above the magnets symmetrically and most flux on top is "sucked" away from the coil core and goes through the moving cores. This is not so for the moving thin core that cannot form a shunting bridge for the facing magnets.

Which waveform would make a difference in a generator, you ask. I would prefer the U shaped core but with its thickness matching the length of your magnets (now the U core thickness is less than the magnet length if I see it correctly). The U shape gives the biggest flux change out of the three I think and perhaps you wish to consider moving an U core under your magnet-coil setup too, now you show the U core moves only above the setup of course. This way the flux change could be even higher in the coil core. I mean two U cores moving alltogether as a rotor, sandwiching the stator magnets + the coil whenever they pass but then the total setup would become 'clumsy'...     surely a mechanically better setup could be devised.

Gyula

[TinselKoala]

It's the Batman Waveform!