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The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Started by syairchairun, November 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

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lumen

Quote from: Mister Caribbean Roots on December 12, 2014, 11:08:06 AM
That's a washing machine stator if i'm not mistaken, i did want to use it but i need a lathe to make some parts and that's what i don't have at my disposal now...sadly... :(

Looking forward to hear if that configuration can produce energy without lenz working against it... :)

Yes it is a washing machine stator.
I have been looking at it for some time until I finally understood how to get around lenz drag!

First, all magnetic fields are simply loops.
If you bring a coil with an iron core near the magnet, the loops cross through the coil into the core. The loops cutting through the coil to get into the core is what generates current.

If the coil has a load or is shorted then the current generated produces it's own field but opposite direction of the intersecting loops and so resists the incoming loops. This is lenz.
So how do you get around this?

Just think of it in reverse. Suppose the magnetic loop is contained within the coil.
Now if the loop is directed outside the coil, then as the loop cuts the conductors and there is a load or the coil is shorted, lenz will generate the opposite field to hold the loop inside the coil's core.
This cannot increase the load on the outer loop distracting device because lenz can only serve to reduce the loop connections making the rotor turn easier.

So in effect, lenz would be working to reduce the work under load and without any load, would turn only the same as any other well build generator.



Madeo

I just have a thought about Lenz problem.   If a coil produces a counter EMF that opposes the rotor's magnet,  what if we wound two coils (bifilar) ?  One clockwise and the other counter-clockwise.  When the magnet approaches the coils,  the two coils will produce CEMF that will be opposite polarities to each other. They will cancel each other out and leaving the magnet itself with very little opposition as it passes by.....  They will still be influence by the magnet's  Magnetic field and would still produce power.   This is just a theory,  of course.






Just..Sayin..

Quote from: Madeo on December 12, 2014, 11:43:07 AM
I just have a thought about Lenz problem.   If a coil produces a counter EMF that opposes the rotor's magnet,  what if we wound two coils (bifilar) ?  One clockwise and the other counter-clockwise.  When the magnet approaches the coils,  the two coils will produce CEMF that will be opposite polarities to each other. They will cancel each other out and leaving the magnet itself with very little opposition as it passes by.....  They will still be influence by the magnet's  Magnetic field and would still produce power.   This is just a theory,  of course.

The current will flow in the same direction in both coils irrespective of which way they are wound......

Madeo

Quote from: Just..Sayin.. on December 12, 2014, 01:35:45 PM
The current will flow in the same direction in both coils irrespective of which way they are wound......


Even if that were the case,  the coils would still produce opposite fields relative to each other which will cancel their CEMFs. I wish I haven't dismantled my bedini motor.

lumen

Quote from: Madeo on December 12, 2014, 01:51:28 PM

Even if that were the case,  the coils would still produce opposite fields relative to each other which will cancel their CEMFs. I wish I haven't dismantled my bedini motor.

No, the field would be the same and the voltage generated would be opposite.
Lenz is always counter the inducing field direction or there is no current flow.