The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I made a new version of lumen's Ramadan variation which I call Thane Heins Ramadan Bitt version.

The good news is high current coils can be used and the power dissipated in the core has dropped from 33 Watts (first lumen version) to 10 Watts.
We are also delivering 5 Watts to our 1 Ohm load without the prime mover input power increase.

Link to test video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LK2C4qBY1Y

I would say this is encouraging and further testing and use of better cores like Iron Powder would be on the list to do.

Share your thought if you wish

Luc

[Jimboot]

Very interesting work Luc. 5 Watts would run my prime mover Your frequency at 104hz is surprising low for that output. Any idea of the actual RPM?

[gotoluc]

Very interesting work Luc. 5 Watts would run my prime mover Your frequency at 104hz is surprising low for that output. Any idea of the actual RPM?

Thanks Jimboot

the RPM is in the range of 1,610 RPM

Luc

[gotoluc]

My new Iron Powder Cores came in just now!

[MileHigh]

Luc:

I made many comments and some suggestions and challenges the last time you worked with the drill press setup.  The comments also apply here, so I am not going to get involved one more time, I will just cover some points here and leave it at that.  I noticed that there was not much forthcoming from you about what I said, and from the "team" of people interested in this stuff across three threads on three forums there was not a single suggestion on how to go forward and improve your analysis of the setup and the testing.  I find that really disappointing and I wonder if there are any "energy researchers" here as opposed to simply passive observers that don't have much to say and apparently no desire to push themselves to do better and start thinking to help you out.

I am going to throw in some new ideas and if nothing comes of it, so be it.

Let's start with the energy analysis of this setup, and it also applies to the previous setup.

The input power measured by the Kill-a-Watt meter only goes to three places.   First of all the drill press produces waste heat and rotational mechanical power.  You don't know what the mechanical power is because you don't know what the efficiency of the drill press is under your particular test conditions.  Then the mechanical power goes into your generator, and that becomes waste heat and useful output.  In this case we will call the useful output the power dissipated in the load resistor and the resistance of the drive coil or coils.

Input power from Kill-a-Watt meter becomes this:

1) Drill press waste heat
2) Generator waste heat
3) Generator useful output (power in generator coil(s) and power in load resistor.)

Now, when you make you Kill-a-Watt measurements for free running, engaged but no load resistor, and engaged and driving the load resistor, etc., you have to try to put the numbers into 1, 2, and 3 above.   You may have to make some guesses or you can draw some inferences, but that's the way you do it.  In your previous rounds of testing you make additions and subtractions of Kill-a-Watt meter readings and it was mostly all junk.  Saying, "I think 10 watts are being used in the core and we have to try another core" is also highly suspect in my opinion and you have no hard data to draw that conclusion.

Watch, let's redo the list and use "0" for the Kill-a-Watt meter reading:

0) Kill-a-Watt meter reading
1) Drill press waste heat
2) Generator waste heat
3) Generator useful output (power in generator coil(s) and power in load resistor.)

Whenever you do a test you know item #0, and you can measure item #3.   So you already know two of your four variables every time you do a test.  With a few tests and making some reasonable assumptions and inferences you can at least get a handle on all four variables.  That's what I was hoping the "team" would try to figure out but there was disappointingly nothing coming forth from anybody.

You are still not factoring in the power dissipated in the generator coil or coils and you have to if you want to understand where the power is going.  I pushed you and the "team" on this and nobody had anything to say.  You made an estimate instead of doing a calculation which was wrong.  If you don't know how to do the calculation then work on that problem with your team.  You guys can't be spoon-fed all the time.

As far as your new setup goes, I find it very strange.  The reason I find it very strange is because I am assuming that the magnet on the drill press table is vertically polarized.  If that's the case, it makes the drill press table itself a big "south" and the two arms of the MOT core attached to the top of the magnet a set of "norths."  That does not make any sense relative to the basis for all of the testing, which was to redirect flux back and forth with alternating polarities through a coil with the rotating C-core.

From what it looks like to me, when one of the C-cores is aligned with the MOT core, then flux can flow into the C-core and then through the air and back to the drill press table.  It's also possible that you have flux passing through the entire drill press itself, which would be very bizarre.   If you wrapped a coil around the main vertical cylindrical shaft of the drill press you could find out with your scope.

Finally, you have been at this for years now so why are you calling the waveform on your scope display a "sine wave."  It doesn't even remotely resemble a sine wave.

Good luck with your testing.  One thing I can tell you from pure gut feel, is that all three configurations you have tested so far are not even remotely as efficient as a small commercial off the shelf generator or motor-generator.   This is just another wild goose chase instigated by that YouTube guy.

MileHigh