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Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!

Started by gotoluc, December 16, 2014, 07:22:08 PM

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MileHigh

Quote from: gotoluc on December 17, 2014, 11:07:40 PM
I can't use any motor as I'm using a single magnet and the effect needs the frequency to be in a certain range (200Hz or more), that's why I'm using the Dremel as it can go up to 35,000 RPM.
I know the Kill-a- Watt meter is not the ideal but it give a good ballpark. It has 0.0 decimal on the Watt reading and reads PF, so it should detect a half Watt change.
I'm also trying to get my hands on a variac and rectify to DC so we can get a more accurate power analysis.

Stay tuned

Luc

Luc:

The evidence is already showing you that the Kill-a-Watt meter sucks for your application.  Don't put your head in the sand.  Think about this:  For years you have been playing with pulse motors and generators and stuff like that.  I am sure that many times you have loaded a generator coil with a load resistor and observed that the prime mover drew increased current, slowed down, and had to put out more torque.  You know in all cases there is Lenz drag.  If you lower the power output of the generator coil, the Lenz drag will proportionally decrease.  This happens all the way down to zero.  There no "magic cutoff" point where at some lower power output level "magic" happens and the Lenz drag disappears.  We just explained why you see the phase shift in the current waveform when the load resistor is very low in value.

There is Lenz drag in your setup but you can't measure it.  It is totally irresponsible for you to claim that you can connect a generator to the Dremel and get power out from the generator at no cost to the prime mover.  You are just sticking your head in the sand in denial of what is really happening.

That's up to you to do, but it is your loss when you do things like that.  You are just cheating yourself.

MileHigh

Bat1Robin2

I think the magnetic field is part of the photon (EM field) and if you take the energy from the prime mover in any way then it can not return to the prime mover and in effect you reduce its energy. That is the lens effect and we already know it is at the speed of light because it is photons (EM).  There is no way to steal energy from the prime mover M field and expect  the prime mover to  not have a reduction in energy. If you steal the M energy you steal the E energy because the EM is one and the same photon electromagnetic energy! you cant take one before the other. So i say no lens delay. The only delays we are seeing is on our oscilloscopes because the coils are a storage device for the M which returns to the E on our scopes.  So really the lens effect is just the transferring of energy from primary to secondary, however you arrange the coils magnets steel and motors or generators is only an efficiency change that is all.  As the em moves down the wire we measure the M as current and E as voltage same old thing just photons. Its all photons. If i hand someone apples is there a delay to the time i loss the apples? of course not. thats silly. stop this foolish conversation.

synchro1

Quote from: MileHigh on December 18, 2014, 08:28:23 AM
Luc:

The evidence is already showing you that the Kill-a-Watt meter sucks for your application.  Don't put your head in the sand.  Think about this:  For years you have been playing with pulse motors and generators and stuff like that.  I am sure that many times you have loaded a generator coil with a load resistor and observed that the prime mover drew increased current, slowed down, and had to put out more torque.  You know in all cases there is Lenz drag.  If you lower the power output of the generator coil, the Lenz drag will proportionally decrease.  This happens all the way down to zero.  There no "magic cutoff" point where at some lower power output level "magic" happens and the Lenz drag disappears.  We just explained why you see the phase shift in the current waveform when the load resistor is very low in value.

There is Lenz drag in your setup but you can't measure it.  It is totally irresponsible for you to claim that you can connect a generator to the Dremel and get power out from the generator at no cost to the prime mover.  You are just sticking your head in the sand in denial of what is really happening.

That's up to you to do, but it is your loss when you do things like that.  You are just cheating yourself.

MileHigh

There's nothing wrong with Luc's meter. There's something wrong with you and your inability to accept the facts. You're the one who needs to have his head examined! You are a compulsive lier.

MileHigh

QuoteYou are a compulsive lier.

I am sure that many people have read me for a long time and they know that I am honest.  If I make a mistake or I don't know something then I will readily admit it.

Even you know this about me.  So when you call me a "lier" (sic) you just keep on reinforcing to the readership what a fool and a buffoon and a liar you are.  Since you are something like a 50-year-old grown man, and you intentionally act like a complete idiot online and can be very disruptive, coupled with the fact that you have ridiculous nonsensical fantasies about high-speed pulse motors - it's reasonable to conclude that you may indeed have severe psychological problems.

That's the last off-topic and disruptive posting I want to see from you on this thread.

synchro1

@Milehigh,

You're a very sick person. Who do you think you are to admonish me?


Quote from JLN:


"The loaded secondary coil is set at the phase shifting point and acts as a wave reflector, it returns the magnetic wave in opposition phase to the magnetic rotor in rotation, producing its acceleration" ...