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Lenz free generator

Started by life is illusion, December 21, 2014, 03:20:03 PM

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SkyWatcher123

Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
peace love light

i_ron

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on July 25, 2016, 12:52:40 PM
Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
peace love light


Hi Sky,


Yes there is a magnet there. This design is from Dieter's PDF, post #44, "Reverse Lorentz  Force Anomaly"


Thanks for the suggestion... I will investigate that


Ron


Quote page 3 of Dieter's PDF


Possible implementations
As the iron body is basicly attracted by the permanent magnet, this gradient of force must be
compensated by some kind of lever / counterforce system as described further below (Fig. 4).
It is a fact that the maximum field strength will never be higher that the one with the fixed
distance between coil and permanent magnet. This comparatively low output versus apparatus
size ratio may be compensated by stronger permanent magnets, or by a feedback of the output
into an electromagnet, such as in selfexciting generators, however, it demands for high
induction, high precision and low friction design.
To be discussed may be whether or not the reactive field of the coil reduces the attraction of
the iron body by the permanent magnet while approaching (Fig. 0b), and reduces the repelling
while being repelled (Fig. 0a).
It may well be that the loss of attraction by the permanent magnet (caused by opposing domains
in the iron body due to the opposing coil field) is compensated by the repelling force of the
reactive coil field, but meanwhile there is already a current flow, basicly free of the Lenz law.
Likewise, the iron body is more attracted by the permanent magnet when moving away from it
because the field strength is amplified by the coil. But at the same time the iron body will be  attracted by the coil as well, so again the two additional forces cancel each other out, while
there is actually a current flow.
Compared to conventional induction, this is quite diffrent: in conventional induction the
inducing magnet is repelled _only_ while approaching the coil, and it is attracted _only_ when
moving away. Classic Lenz' law 1-0-1.
Nevertheless, based on the possible selfcanceling features of the described additional forces,
selfaccelleration probably may not occur. However, there is still power generation without the
"brakeing", reactive Lorentz force, which by it's own is sensational and a violation of "the law".
Rotating systems (Fig 1abcd, 2, 3) have been evaluated. While the Reverse Lorentz Force
Anomaly was observed too, there are indications that the approximation of the iron body from
the side may be complicating the interactions of attracting and repelling forces, making the
design trickier. However, in close proximity, where field strengths are more significant, the
anomaly was clearly observed.

i_ron

Quote from: tinman on July 25, 2016, 11:12:40 AM
Some time back(years ago now) i made a device i called the L.A.G (lenz assisted generator).
Below is a picture of a larger version of that,that i am very close to finishing. snip

I just finished machining up the rotor tonight,so it's not to far away now from completion.

Brad


Thanks Brad, it will be interesting to see how it performs.


Thanks for sharing your work in progress, what will the rotor look like?


Ron


i_ron

Quote from: ALVARO_CS on July 25, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
I am modifying this old setup.
all 8 magnets N facing (bucking)

and I totally agree, Lenz assisting is the way, . . as much as possible  ;)
one voltage peak in between two peaks of current . . . what a challenge !!!

Alvaro


Let us know how it runs.


Ron

i_ron

Quote from: Erfinder on July 25, 2016, 10:16:02 AM

I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.

Regards




Erfinder, how can you say that? after he has told us so much about his generator?


It is the biggest he has ever built, he has a machinist friend that worked on it, he has it back now and has done a test and it uses more then it did before... I mean how much more can we ask for? LOL


Ron