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Lenz free generator

Started by life is illusion, December 21, 2014, 03:20:03 PM

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QuoteA changing magnetic field will induce a voltage\current kind of thing,, moving current creates a magnetic field, the more current the more field,, so a moving or changing magnetic field creates current flow.  The field that is created is by the current motion at the second you are viewing the field,, so all the build up current is not so much used,, if you will.


Like a snake chasing it's tail, when a charge moves it creates a magnetic field change proportional to it's motion. Thus it should be obvious the charge cannot move faster or slower than the magnetic field change it created without a force evolving to oppose it's change in motion. Normally the charge motion must always be in lock step with it's own magnetic field and when you find a solution to solve this problem you will find your answers.
QuoteThe thought then would be that if you created an impulse electric current flow that that would stimulate a reactionary magnetic current to flow, which then could be used to induce electric current to flow, both on the impulse reaction as well as the collapse of the magnetic field that is driving the magnetic current.


The creation of a magnetic field is the reaction force to an accelerating charge limiting it's acceleration thus limiting the process of true induction. Creating more magnetic fields which all limit charge motion thus induction is obviously not the answer were looking for. It's like building an airplane which can never leave the ground when the goal is to fly, building more non-flying airplanes is not the answer.
QuoteThe drive coil gets opened, the pulse short coil gets opened, so what if there was a neutral coil handy as the magnetic current started to flow back,, it would try and stop the collapse BECAUSE it would only see the change in flux,, unlike the other 2 coils it does not know or care if the field is going out or back in,, they are polarized in a way but a neutral coil might not be.


That is like saying you could harness the collapse of a balloon without ever inflating it. Normally the energy to create a magnetic field is proportional to the energy released when it is destroyed. Input charges move creating a magnetic field and when the magnetic field collapses it causes other charges to move in exactly the same way...what have you gained?.


Which begs the question... what if charges could move without creating any apparent magnetic field limiting there motion but still effect other charges?. This would be quite a step in the right direction and was exactly the sort of thing Nikola Tesla was proposing. We cannot solve our problems using the same kind of thinking we used to create them, it must be something different if we want a different result.




AC
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i_ron

Quote from: i_ron on October 22, 2016, 01:55:20 PM

There were very few posts with any relevent information on this forum --- however here are a few posts from different forums

Ron

Edit: updated PDF, thanks Grum

i_ron


web000x


Thank you Ron for trying to help and I am sorry you caught flak for it. 


I have been looking into Jim Murray's ideas pretty seriously for a couple of years now and I have finally begun look towards a device he patented called a Transforming Generator.  This device utilized principles of both a transformer and a generator, meaning that the stator windings are toroidally wound and are interacting with each other through the iron core like a transformer while being independently energized by a rotating magnetic field such as found in a generator.


I have taken an old servo motor and  stripped away the encoder and existing stator windings.  This left me with some end bells, an 8 pole permanent magnet rotor, and a laminated iron stator.  I notched out the aluminum case that holds the iron core so that I could wind the toriodally wound stator coils (3 coils @ 240 turns each of 26 AWG) and still put the end bells on.  My testing of this device is on hold until I can get a more solidified test fixture, plastic hose and clamps for the motor/generator coupling makes for a wobbly 3000 rpm... 


It is a very interesting device.  It definitely shows that we can get a lot more power out of a certain amount of copper because it reduces the magnetic impedance of the output.  However, this comes with increased torque to the prime mover; in love with lenz...


Some attached pics show the device and dissasembly. 


Dave

web000x

There were originally two coils in the stator.  An unfortunate miscalculation of the respective positions of the first two gave warrant for a third.   (How bout that Erfinder..)  The positions of the coils have to do with the N/S configuration of the rotor.  The two 180 degrees out coils are of a similar rotor pole passing whereas the offset coil is the odd man out.  I can only use two coils (for now) that have opposing magnetic polarities from the rotor energizing them in order to get the transforming effect in the way I want it.  This allows me to use the offset coil with either the adjacent coil or the opposite coil.  Both produce different results.  The effects from the adjacent coil are much more pronounced.  Geometry is an important factor in how this thing operates.


Dave