Lenz free generator + a different pulse motor!

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Hi  life is illusion ! just a spontaneous idea and always with a sense of humor  : Pseudo parameter control death Lenz     .

Hello Boris

I think having two gaps will put too much of resistance on the path of magnetic current. Also the added solenoid will create a lot of reverse magnetic field and will not allow the reverse magnetic field of main solenoid to exit the conflict zone. On the other hand, I could be totally wrong

BR
Sam   

[BorisKrabow]

Hello Boris

I think having two gaps will put too much of resistance on the path of magnetic current. Also the added solenoid will create a lot of reverse magnetic field and will not allow the reverse magnetic field of main solenoid to exit the conflict zone. On the other hand, I could be totally wrong

BR
Sam

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The input prongs would be perpendicular to the plane of the ring core, both would be attached to the side of the ring core with identical and at least as small air gap as there is now in tinman's C core attachment, the latter are fastened by probably with glue and two rubber bands. I assume that the air gap in tinman setup between the two C cores I indicated in red in the picture can be any value between say 0.06 to 0.1 mm.  This gap can already cause a magnetic reluctance value high enough in the secondary path of the setup so that the input flux prefers to choose mainly the yellow path.

Agree?  Remember that in the drawing made by Sam earlier in this thread, there were no any air gap indicated or referred to between the center and the C core.

Gyula

Hi Gyula

As you can see in Tinman's second video, there are no air gaps and the two sides of the C cores are just pushed against each other by a rubber band
Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtB_7RkEg


As you can see in the first video the motor is pulling 164.4 milliamps and the primary and secondary are both on load. In the second video the secondary is removed and primary is open and the motor is pulling 166.2 milliamps.
After all, I think it is very possible to crack this curse of Lenz's law I'm waiting to see Tinman making the 3rd video!

And guys, when you do the experiments and video them, please share your results in here. I don't know almost any of you and I don't know if I have you in my subscription list in youtube. It would be amazing if you could share your findings in here also so that I can see if I  have made mistakes in my calculations or if they function just like I imagined them to

Best Regards
Sam 

[gyulasun]

Sam,

There is air gap in tinman setup between the two C cores, even if it is a very tiny one, it can cause a much higher reluctance in the core than a continuos piece of ferrite rod has, even if the 'rod' is not straight but has a rectangular C shape with corners.

This is why I wrote that I agree with kEhYo77 as he said:  "...as soon as the magnetic loop is being established the first path becomes more and more 'conductive' for the flux, that is why it is concentrated there in the end."

So the entering N pole flux of rotor magnet prefers the first C core very next to the rotor for closing its magnetic path towards its own S pole.
Supposing the case when the flux enters a ring core with no any air gap at say the 12 o'clock area and leaves the ring core at its 6 o'clock area via two ferrite prongs that are perpendicular to the ring core, then in both magnetic path of the ring core the entering flux would be divided equally because both path would have equal reluctance values.

Regarding the current draw of 164.4 mA and the 166.2 mA in the 2nd video: I am not sure what you ask or mean but I can say that: The 100 Ohm and the 2 to 90 Ohm loads are very 'easy' loads so due to this, the Lenz effect can only be also low by 'default'. If you estimate the load currents, the primary coil is loaded by 1.3 Vrms/100 Ohm = 13 mA and the secondary coil is loaded by about 3 mA (0.27 Vrms/90 Ohm) or 6.85 mA when the load is only 2 Ohm across the secondary (0.0137 Vrms/2 Ohm).  So the load currents are very low with respect to the input current of 164.4 mA taken by the prime mover motor.
And it is not known what the current draw would have been if tinman had removed the C cores with the resistor loads completely and the prime mover motor would have been spinning on its own in the same setup. 
In the drag test video tinman did not mention whether he used the same supply voltage to the prime mover so we have no real info why or how the 166.2 mA current draw was taken.

Gyula

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Gyula

Hello Gyula
As I have said before, I really liked your gap idea and I think I'm gonna use it in many of my future works But air gap or no air gap, the whole purpose is to achieve a low "lenz" or "lenz free" generator
And about Tinman's video, I agree with you that the information is not shared yet, that is why I am waiting for the 3rd video, but I just assume (I know assuming is not a smart thing to do) that he is running the motor with the same voltage input, but lets wait and see if Tinman comes to tell us about this himself I think if the concept works to a degree, we could make a bit bigger coils and put bigger loads on them I am very thankful to Tinman for conducting this experiment, he did an amazing job

Best Regards
Sam