Advanced and Delayed magnetic field's.

[TinselKoala]

So if you have someone showing a circuit (for example; could be a mechanical device, etc) that is claimed to be "OU" in some manner, and then that circuit is simulated by a circuit simulator like Falstad or LTSpice, say, and the simulator does _the same things_ that the actual circuit does, in terms of the claimant's measurements and phenomena, but the simulator also shows that it is not "OU", because the simulator can make more and more accurate measurements of various parameters ... who is right?

The statement that a simulator can't show OU behaviour unless some error is made somewhere, is what some of us call "Ibison's Law", after Michael Ibison at ETI. But that's obvious since the simulators are designed around well-understood conventional physics... and also it is not the issue. When there is _no actual device_ that performs differently from the properly constructed, underunity simulation, then you'd be well put to accept the results of the simulation.

Every time you get on a commercial airplane, you are trusting your very life to simulations. The aircraft are designed using them, the pilots are trained using them, the weather they fly through is forecast using them, and more.  You don't dare perform actual stalls in a real commercial airliner or deliberately fail an engine on takeoff ... so how do airline pilots learn how to recover from stalls and unusual attitudes, how do they learn how to deal with engine fires, fuel starvation, structural or component failures? They do it in regularly scheduled, at least twice yearly, _simulator sessions_.

[shylo]

Hi TM, Thanks for putting out those vids, I think you should have started without any core in place first to see the rotor consumption by itself. Also it was interesting to see how the ferrite compared to the steel.
Just a question, can the ferrite be ground up and then glued back together to make a core of any shape we desire?
Looking forward to more of your tests' Great work !
artv

[Kator01]

tinman,

you have stepped into a difficult field of investigation. It took me awhile to remember what I had experience in the past
with a tesla-transmitter when I saw your scheme
Your setup is similar to a magnetic loose coupled bandfilter. with two resonance-frequencies ( fig. C), see pic atteached.
The loose coupling is because of the small air-gap.

I was at a loss of explanation of some strange behavior of this system at that time until I showed my setup to a electronic hf-specialist who cleared this up.

Regards

Kator01

[dieter]

thanks for the vid, looking forward to see more about this.


Peace

[tinman]

Every time you get on a commercial airplane, you are trusting your very life to simulations. The aircraft are designed using them, the pilots are trained using them, the weather they fly through is forecast using them, and more.  You don't dare perform actual stalls in a real commercial airliner or deliberately fail an engine on takeoff ... so how do airline pilots learn how to recover from stalls and unusual attitudes, how do they learn how to deal with engine fires, fuel starvation, structural or component failures? They do it in regularly scheduled, at least twice yearly, _simulator sessions_.

The here and now is fantastic TK,but the wright brothers had no such simulator,and yet there plane flew.
Simulator's are the wet dream of the real thing-there is just no comparison

Im in no way infering anything OU here,in fact,this machine is very power hungry and inefficient. Im looking for effect,not efficiency.The one thing i have shown very clearly is the difference in drag between ferrite and steel core's. To me,that makes the whole exercise well worth it.But i am going to continue to look a little more at what is happening in regards to the magnetic field's,in fact,im quite enjoying working with this simple little machine.