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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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Void

Quote from: Farmhand on February 08, 2015, 03:06:42 PM
I agree with you Void for Tesla's radiant energy collector patent but there are two patents and in one he shows ways to generate
man made radiant energy from a tube of some kind ect. And those are granted patents. Easy to find.

Hi Farmhand. I think the tube Tesla was testing with was an early Roentgen (X-Ray) type tube.
All the best...

Farmhand

Conrad, I hear ya, as it happens that transformer is in the shed and still wound the same but no switch, and I see the control circuit
as well, got a few control circuits I can choose from. I might set it up to buck later on if I can make time. Curious to see how much stray stuff I get. hahaha

Farmhand

Synchro, Light "intensity" doesn't equal "amount" kinda like power does not equal energy necessarily.

High intensity pulsed light might be brighter than a lower intensity constant light and the lower intensity constant light might still
output more light. Just because we cannot perceive the light pulsing means little in terms of actual light output.

..

MarkE

Quote from: Void on February 08, 2015, 03:25:07 PM
Another odd one. Different transformer winding arrangement this time from the previous one.
I have kept the scope leads as much away from other wires and transformer windings as I could, and also tested by moving
scope probes and scope leads around to make sure the phase measurements were not being thrown off by
stray fields getting into the probe leads. Power was again measured by logging data samples for all waveforms to CSV files,
and using a spreadsheet to calculate the instantaneous power for each voltage and current data set, and the overall average power.
Ch1 = yellow traces = voltage waveforms.
Ch2 = blue traces = current  waveforms.

For the curious, here is what the power calculations worked out to.
I am not attempting to draw any conclusions. Measurement error could still be fairly significant in these measurements,
but the measured results are still probably a fairly decent indication of what is going on with the transformer, (barring some unnoticed error).
I am still using a carbon film, 5%, 1 ohm  resistor for the CSR's at the moment, since I don't have better ones yet, so not the greatest.

Power Calculation results:
Input power:    119 uW
Output power:  2.37 mW
Even if you allow for say 20% measurement error, this is still strange results.
A fair portion of the input power seems to be reflecting back to the signal generator, based on the input current waveform anyway,
which would most likely just dissipate in the driver transistor circuitry in the signal generator. Not great since that would
be wasted power. With the very low output power, this particular winding arrangement I tried doesn't appear too practical.
About 20Vpp in and only about 2mW out to the LEDs. In this test I am using a ferrite toroid transformer with windings something along the lines
of the Gennady Markov transformer. It has two phase opposing primary windings, with each primary winding on an opposite side of the toroid.

All the best...
When you get down to low power measurements with really spikey signals, it becomes very easy to get totally bogus measurements.  The scope probes themselves are always part of the circuit under test.  The normally fairly benign 4" or 6" ground clip is a pick-up loop and a parasitic inductor.  The 1m to 1.5m probe cable back to the scope is an unterminated transmission line.  Depending on the probe the waveform is distorted by reflected energy in the probe cable for several round trips.  At low levels, people use 1X probes that load with higher capacitance and have much lower bandwidth than 10X probes and that makes things worse.  Steven Jones at one time claimed he measured 8X OU that was shown to be the result of distorted measurements from poor circuit layout and poor probe set-up.

Void

Quote from: MarkE on February 08, 2015, 03:59:50 PM
When you get down to low power measurements with really spikey signals, it becomes very easy to get totally bogus measurements.  The scope probes themselves are always part of the circuit under test.  The normally fairly benign 4" or 6" ground clip is a pick-up loop and a parasitic inductor.  The 1m to 1.5m probe cable back to the scope is an unterminated transmission line.  Depending on the probe the waveform is distorted by reflected energy in the probe cable for several round trips.  At low levels, people use 1X probes that load with higher capacitance and have much lower bandwidth than 10X probes and that makes things worse.  Steven Jones at one time claimed he measured 8X OU that was shown to be the result of distorted measurements from poor circuit layout and poor probe set-up.

Hi MarkE. Sure, I am well aware of all that, and I did mention that I was taking this sort of thing into account as well.
In this particular test, I believe the scope ground clips attached to the secondary were altering the output
power measurements somewhat due to unbalancing the secondary circuit somewhat. Based on the amount of light the two LEDs
were giving off without the scope probes attached, I would estimate the actual power consumption of the LEDs as being closer
to roughly somewhere between 1mW to say 1.5 mW at the most, with the scope probes disconnected. They went a bit brighter with the
scope probes connected to the secondary.  On these types of transformer circuits at higher frequencies, the scope probe
grounds can easily unbalance the circuit under test. I could try an isolation transformer for the scope I suppose, if I had one, but in higher frequency
circuits the scope ground can still potentially alter circuit measurements even if isolated from earth ground. I think I have made it pretty clear
already however that I understand that these measurements at relatively low signal levels could potentially be off quite a bit. :)
I do try to minimize the more obvious sources of potential measurement error however.
All the best...