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Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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minnie




  When we look at capacitors could we say it's necessary to put in a little
bit of "work" to get anything to happen?
              John.

tinman

Poynt-or anyone.

I have been giving this some more thought,and i think that an electrical/electron current dose flow through a capacitor. But first some questions.

In regards to an electrolytic DC capacitor.

1-Dose an electrical/electron current flow !through! a capacitor?
2-Is an electrical/electron current required to charge up a capacitor?,or is there any other way to charge up a capacitor.

Thanks
Brad

gyulasun

Quote from: tinman on October 06, 2015, 09:42:25 AM
i will do for sure Gyula.

Would you have 15 minutes to watch a video from a guy that knows his stuff?

Current flow through a capacitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppWBwZS4e7A

Hi Brad,

Thanks for the link, I have watched Dave's video. For practical purposes in everyday "tinkerings" his views are perfectly acceptable I think.

I know about the term displacement current of course but it is not electron current. The current he measured at the end of the video was the charge-up electron current to the capacitor.

In the comment section under the video there is a link to a paper "Measuring Maxwell's displacement current inside a capacitor".  http://personal.rhul.ac.uk/uhap/027/PH2420/PH2420_files/displacement.pdf 
It turns out that the maximum value of the B field is half a microgauss in a "handsized capacitor charged up to 1 kV and with plates separated by a centimeter",  and they claimed to measure this with a 5% accuracy.
This is surely fine but they did not point out how this B field result may correspond to the value of the normal AC current which was used for the measurements (1250 Hz audio frequency was used with 240 Vrms amplitude). So I miss the comparison between the so called displacement and the 'normal' AC input current to the capacitor.

The reason I gave the link to Ivor Catt's article(s) was to indicate this is a complex subject and requires a vast amount of knowledge to "see through".

For the time being I stay with my earlier post where I wrote that charging and discharging currents flow in and out of a capacitor (in the AC case at rate of the AC frequency) and these currents cannot 'flow' through the capacitor. Electromagnetic energy is surely stored between the plates of a capacitor (mainly in the dielectric material) and if in this EM field a so called dielectric current is present then it must be a totally different current than what 'flows' in a normal conductor.
IF this is true, then you are correct to say that 'dielectric current' flows through a capacitor till advance in science finds it otherwise.

Gyula

Jeg

Displacement current or dielectric current looks like it has the same behavior characteristics as the so called Tesla's radiant, which is not electric current but can also charge a capacitor.

poynt99

Quote from: tinman on October 06, 2015, 12:37:07 PM
Poynt-or anyone.

I have been giving this some more thought,and i think that an electrical/electron current dose flow through a capacitor. But first some questions.

In regards to an electrolytic DC capacitor.

1-Dose an electrical/electron current flow !through! a capacitor?
No.

Quote
2-Is an electrical/electron current required to charge up a capacitor?,or is there any other way to charge up a capacitor.
Electron current is present in the conductors and ends at the capacitor plates. When the plates are polarized, there is an excess (buildup) of electrons on one side, and a shortage (void) of electrons at the other side.
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