Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Pirate88179]

Here's a picture of a "Bucking Coil" tripole just like the glued magnets produce. Maybe there's some "Scaler Potential" emenating from them? One of the testers maight try the "Zenón Bulb" test on the coils?

Damn.  That looks like the figure 8 that Tinman has been talking about in another topic area.

Bill

[synchro1]

That's what Chris is calling the "Bloch Wall"!

[MileHigh]

Conrad, TK:

I found, that at 4.3 MHz there is a maximum output of 3.1 mW


Input analysis at 4.3 MHz Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 0.9 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 0.9 / 100 = 9 mA , V2eff = 0.9 V, ϴ= 0°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 8.1 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 8.1 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) is ~0 mW (output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~3.1 mW, measurement not shown)

See the circuit diagram at http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839

There is not inductance at this frequency, it seems to be a 4.3 MHz radio wave transmission from coil H1 to the coils H2 + H3. The core is only rated up to 25 kHz, therefore 4.3 MHz can not excite it.

You have discovered OU!

I view this one as a measurement challenge.  For starters, you most likely have to measure all of your AC voltages to three digits of precision, if possible.  The frequency is high so any automatic RMS measurements might be unreliable.  No problem, just take 1/2 of the peak-to-peak voltage and multiply by 0.7071.  The assumption is that you can indeed make a peak-to-peak voltage measurement with your scope at that frequency.  You make the measurements as close as possible to where they are driving the primary coil, etc.  Nor would I trust the "numbers in boxes" here either.  You can turn up the vertical gain of your scope and play with the offset and count vertical divisions.  Or for all I know you have a fancy digital multimeter that can easily make a voltage measurement at 4 MHz.  Likewise for your load resistance, you measure the actual value of the load resistor with your best multimeter to as many digits of precision as possible.

The other thing to do I mentioned before.  Place you scope probe across the H1 primary coil itself, turn up the vertical gain, and measure the voltage like that.  If you can make similar precision measurements on the current and phase shift, then you are making progress.

Using better precision and some wits you should be able to measure the input power.  You already have a huge clue to help you.  You know that there is 3.1 mW going into the load resistor.  The frequency is 4.3 MHz.  Therefore you can compute how much energy per cycle is going into the the load resistor.  I see miliwatts/MHz so that means the energy per cycle is on the order of nanojoules.  Can you actually see nanojoules of energy going into the H1 input coil when you look at a single cycle of the voltage and current waveforms?  I am not sure if your instruments can show you that.  But like I said, you know _exactly_ how many nanojoules per cycle and that should be a big help.

There are some "pro big guns" around here that can give you the real advice on this.  I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with radio wave transmission.  I am just an amateur speculating.

MileHigh

[synchro1]

My question is; Might it be posible to spin "Balance Magnets" at 7.83 hz like Jerry Bayles does with his "Chiral Disks" from the "A" vector magnet wave that dosen't curl but projects outward toward infinity from the "Joint" between the "Bucking Coils"? Standing wave resonance between the coils and the Shumann cavity is easy enough to understand.

[TinselKoala]

I am not sure I follow you because I see scope grounds connected to the function generator ground.  The bucking coil secondary is fully isolated.  So how can you get a connection between the input and output coils?   Note that I suggested to leave the probes in place.  Then use a battery-powered hand-held digital multimeter to measure the RMS voltage across the load resistor.  I was not specific and did not state "battery-powered hand-held digital multimeter" so I apologize if that caused any confusion.

If you are scoping across the output coils, that is, across the load resistor, or across an inline current viewing resistor, your probe is connected to one output wire and the reference is connected to the other one. That is, the reference is no longer connected to the same place as the FG "ground" on the input side. Right? So if the FG is not fully isolated, as most aren't, you have a groundloop right there already, connecting the input to the output through the probe reference and the instrument grounds.

I have a question for you.  I confess I have always been foggy on ground loops.  Is the function generator ground connected to the "third prong" ground or is it connected to the AC neutral line?  Same question for the scope, "third prong" or AC neutral line?

To the third prong ground line. It should _not_ be connected to the AC neutral inside the FG or scope! Should there be a wiring fault in the house wiring this would cause instant disaster when you plug the  instrument in if it was connected that way, I think. NONE of my instruments are connected that way, as I have just confirmed with a continuity checker and by crawling around in the dust looking for all the line cords! (HP180a scope, Tek 2213a scope, Philips counter, F43 function generator, Link pc-DSO with its dedicated IBM 600e laptop). The Link's probe references are connected back through the parallel port ground to the laptop's chassis ground, but the laptop PS is isolated and that connection doesn't make it to any of the three prongs of the power supply line cord.

You have to be careful about the FG "ground" or BNC shield connection though. SOME FG's, like my F43, have BNC jacks that are indeed isolated from the instrument's chassis and the instrument can be "isolated" by a rear or front panel switch, so that the shield "grounds" aren't grounded but are fully isolated. The chassis itself is permanently connected to the third pin of the line cord but the circuit board "ground" and BNC shields are connected to this through the isolation switch. Of course as soon as you use a BNC patch cord to connect the instrument to a non-isolated scope or frequency counter, this overrides the isolation switch disconnect and re-grounds the instrument's BNC shields. This is one reason why I do not refer to Function Generator shield leads as "grounds" or "negative", rather I call the outputs "Black" (shield) and "Red" (inner wire) , since the shields may or may not be grounded and either output wire could be positive or negative, depending on the waveform and offset setting.

If you look at the OUR thread, Verpies said this to Itsu:

The Owon is still grounded through the mains neutral wire.
If you want to have a truly ungrounded scope then you must use a 1:1 mains isolation transformer.

That kind of "shocked" me.  I thought everything was grounded via the third prong.   It also suggests a nightmare.   What if your house wiring is old and you don't have polarized wall sockets.  You use those "third prong bypass" thingies.  Then one piece of equipment could in theory be grounded to the AC neutral and another piece of equipment be grounded to the AC hot.  Even if you have modern wiring it still would be possible to encounter that situation.  You know how a few electric guitar players have been electrocuted...

Exactly! Surely this Owon's BNC shields must be checked with a continuity tester for continuity to the third pin or the other pins of the line cord plug. Or perhaps Verpies means something other than what we are talking about....

My real question, going back to Conrad's setup.  The function generator ground and the scope grounds are tied to one point.  I am going to assume that's a "third prong" tie point.   So you have the scope with it's own power cable snaking a ground wire to the electrical socket ground.  And you have the function generator with it's own power cable snaking a ground to another electrical socket.  Doesn't that set up a ground loop right there?  Can't that generate hum?

Yes, and yes. Not the kind of groundloop I'm worried about, exactly, which is created when the scope probe references and the FG "black" are connected to different points in the circuit under test.
I avoid the kind of groundloop you mean here by connecting all my instruments through a power strip to the same outlet.

I have a related question, like I said I am foggy on this.  Inside the scope and the function generator, is there a tie point that connects the AC neutral to the third-prong ground? 

NO, not on any instrument that I know about. Certainly not on _any_ of mine, from the old Tek RM503 onward. The third prong is connected to the _chassis_ which of course is connected (usually) to the BNC shields and hence to the probe references, unless one has an isolatable FG like my F43 or a fully isolated scope like the Fluke ScopeMeters. In which case the "neutral" still is NOT connected to the chassis and/or the probe BNC shields.

I am so bloody confused with this stuff.

MileHigh

No, I don't think you are, unless I am confused too, which is always a possibility. Verpies is right that to insure full isolation you need an isolation transformer, but NOT because the probe references and instrument chassis is connected to line "neutral" !! They aren't! If they are, as you have pointed out this can be _very dangerous_ both to the instrument and to whatever you are scoping, as well as to your life!