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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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Quote from: MileHigh on February 05, 2015, 03:59:51 AM
Chris:

At this point are you ready to concede that your free energy proposition is over?  The analysis has been done, we understand the scoop, and there is no over unity.  It was all just a big misunderstanding.

MileHigh

MileHigh, I came here to present something, and that something was not figures. I came to show that a few little Coils can be made to do some things that many would not expect.

who know what the end result will be. You ask TK where he thinks this huge spike/Ringing is coming from?

MarkE

Quote from: TinselKoala on February 05, 2015, 01:10:34 AM
@EMJ: No, the channels aren't inverted BUT I discovered that I had the Primary connection to the rest of the circuit flipped, compared to Itsu's connection. Here are the traces with the Primary connection reversed from my previous posts. The spike now goes positive and hits an even higher value than before, and the trace looks very much like Itsu's except for my delay before the high-amplitude ringing, and Itsu's DC offset. I may have a DC bias issue with my scope on that channel, I'll do another measurement on the other channel for comparison. The difference in this delay may be a result of our mosfet choices. I have some other ones I can try.  I can also set up my DSO to repeat some of these measurements, which I may do later this evening.

I could probably charge a capacitor with the spike through a diode. I doubt if it will generate a spark on its own since it is so very narrow, but I'll try it.

I don't know what you mean by "2x coil configurations". I have tried it with the Partners in "aiding" mode and the input current goes way up (from about 380 mA to over 1.3 A, raw reading from inline ammeter). So that would be "worse" I think.

I have not tried "no-load" tests, that is, opencircuit in place of the 10R, yet.


These are interesting results, but as others have pointed out, the V and I measurements aren't valid for output power computations.

I hope you try my suggested test, comparing the current readings you get by simultaneously using your current clamp and the Vdrop across a 1R current-viewing resistor in series with the 10R load. You may see the result of the bandwidth issue that MarkE pointed out: The current probe may not be able to respond to sharp spikes and rapid changes in the current, whereas the Vdrop will show these much better. Please also show (or state) the channel probe attenuation settings for these tests, I'm still not sure how to interpret the voltage/current ratio of your CC-65 probe as displayed on your traces.

Here's the video showing a comparison between the detail of a _high quality (or at least very expensive!)_ current probe and Vdrop across a 1R CVR in the JT circuit, and the effect of moving a probe reference lead 3 inches along a bit of wire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDfrzBIxoQ
The latest video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smocfnCxwKM looks good. 

The video demonstrates that the circuit throws out lots of RF:  enough to light the NE2 just from the field across its leads.  Of course all of that RF energy comes from the power source and never makes it through the cement resistor.  What does it say about the hypothesis?  Oh that's right:  There is no hypothesis under test.  There is a claim of ovrunity from a fixture that is not insturmented to properly measure either input or output power.

Jimboot

Quote from: TinselKoala on February 05, 2015, 04:28:06 AM
Video will be up in a few minutes at

http://youtu.be/smocfnCxwKM

Meanwhile, I soldered 3 diodes BYV26E in series to make an "output string" that I will use for charging a capacitor bank once I put together a suitable one. Here's a picture of the thing lighting up 20 ea. NE-2 neons in series, through the diodes and a 1k current-limiting resistor. With this arrangement I still see the 3.3kV+ spike on TP A. Still running at 6.7 V input, about 470 mA (raw reading from inline ammeter).


Great vid! Thank god for Chinese takeout:) is your core from an old fly back?

MarkE

Quote from: EMJunkie on February 05, 2015, 04:33:41 AM
MileHigh, I came here to present something, and that something was not figures. I came to show that a few little Coils can be made to do some things that many would not expect.

who know what the end result will be. You ask TK where he thinks this huge spike/Ringing is coming from?
A fast switching MOSFET connects to an unclamped inductance.  Huge potentially destructive voltage spikes and ringing caused by the unclamped inductance coupled to parasitic capacitance are fully expected and ordinary.

Jimboot

Quote from: MarkE on February 05, 2015, 04:57:56 AM
The latest video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smocfnCxwKM looks good. 

The video demonstrates that the circuit throws out lots of RF:  enough to light the NE2 just from the field across its leads.  Of course all of that RF energy comes from the power source and never makes it through the cement resistor.  What does it say about the hypothesis?  Oh that's right:  There is no hypothesis under test.  There is a claim of ovrunity from a fixture that is not insturmented to properly measure either input or output power.
Not that Tk needs defending but he didn't make an ou claim did he? Did I miss a post?