Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[TinselKoala]

@TK

Have you seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmYfcgvf6Jc

  Chris

Yes. I'm afraid I am one of "those people" who believe that Akula/Ruslan/Stivep are hoaxers.  For one thing, they violate Conservation of Miracles... they have shown,what, a dozen circuits now of all kinds from big to small, and they are all different, and they all "work".  Now you've pushed my "shark" button, so here's a two minute rant and a four-minute video.

They have even published many schematics and yet no one has been able to reproduce their "self running" performance. I myself made a replication according to one of their circuits that _exactly duplicated_ the waveforms they presented at one point, and it still came to a quick stop when the power was removed. However that one would have easily run "itself" for as long as the one they demonstrated on camera, if I had simply gutted one of the electrolytic capacitor cans and stuffed it with three button cell batteries like AG13. Since then, they have apparently decided not to present any more waveforms. Another recent demonstration where the coil was taken apart on camera would also have been easy to do in the same way. Another one probably had batteries inside the potentiometer cases, which were inexplicably soldered into the circuit. Inexplicable, that is, unless they contained batteries. Ruslan is a radio engineer with a commercial FM broadcast station to play around with and he has even at one point shown off the transmitter room. Some of their devices _may_ be simply wireless receivers, some others have batteries inside, some run on hidden wires. Not a one has ever been tested properly by an independent tester. One excuse they give is that they have to be tuned by geographic location, so if they sent you one of their "working" models it probably won't work when it gets to you. Of course... since you probably don't live and work underneath the antenna tower of a 50 kW FM radio transmitter. Nor do you have the necessary hidden wires or faked capacitor cans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn8kadM61jw
Compare my scope screen to the waveforms that Akula posted for his version of this same device:
(Don't be fooled by the "50 volt" setting on his scope. We have other photos of his test setup making this measurement and his probe is set to 1x instead of 10x like he told the scope, so that "50 volt" setting is... being generous now... a "mistake" and it really is indicating 5 volts per division.)

[TinselKoala]

EMJunkie suggested several times to use an audio amplifier to drive the "partnered output coil" (see the above quotes).

Question:

Is it still a "good idea" to drive the "partnered output coil" with an audio amplifier?

Greetings, Conrad

I would say "it depends".  Personally I wouldn't do it because I'd be worried about popping the output transistors of the amplifier. I wouldn't want to spend the money to buy a "bespoke" audio amp for this circuit either. Why don't you try my push-pull circuit first, it is a good current amplifier that works from DC to well over 40 kHz and only has about 4 dollars worth of components in it. It easily handles 20 v p-p at 1 amp and can be adapted to run higher voltages if you keep the supply to the op-amp at +/- 15V, or use a higher voltage opamp. It has a high-impedance input so the signal source (your FG) isn't loaded down by it the way the Meyer circuit is.
The only drawback is that you need the bipolar power supply, or you can use two 12v batteries in series.

I don't know what results EMJ has had with an audio amplifier... we just don't have enough information. I'm sure he'll weigh in with some info when he reads this though.

[John.K1]

Ok , Two -bucked- Tesla coils. One transmitter, one receiver and a LITTLE bit more on the output?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RocrvQaHZts    I do not believe there is any OU in the small presented devices like shown here of type of-JouleThief, JouleRingers etc. I believe if we want to tap the ambient energy we have to give it proper shock to get the ambient to move. To create massive imbalance- potential difference. I mean HV , High impulse.   Two Tesla coils has been shown working with different experimenters.  Worth to try it out?

[Vortex1]

From TK post #991

Well, it certainly would be nice if someone posting a schematic diagram claiming to be the circuit used, would actually _use the correct symbols_ and _provide part numbers_ when they post their diagrams, don't you think? 

If someone posts a schematic using a mosfet, and then many people build and test that circuit using mosfets, and then someone else comes along and says no, you are using a mosfet instead of a bipolar transistor ..... that tends to be a little irritating to those people who may have put a substantial amount of effort into their builds and tests. ESPECIALLY when the transistor "actually" used is not likely to be instantly available in someone's parts stash.

Furthermore, using the FG to drive a bipolar transistor directly has its own problems. In the first place most FGs may not be able to provide the base current necessary to do the job properly... so we are in a situation where the transistor may be under-driven to produce the claimed "OU" effects. Then there is the issue of the injection of power into the circuit by the FG or base driver. And even further more, there is the Elephant in the Room: The claimed "OU" effects are based on improper combinations of a voltage measurement and a current measurement taken from different circuit branches.

So here's what I say. Let the claimant repeat the tests with whatever transistor he likes, but with making _proper_ input and output power measurements, not forgetting to include the input power from the FG in the mix. Then let him specify _exactly_ the correct circuit, with correct schematic symbols and all part numbers listed, along with the FG or other base drive circuit parameters as you have noted.

This is one of the most astounding "Moving the goalposts" issues I have encountered. A schematic is presented as having been used to make the traces.... and then _after_ considerable work is performed by multiple "replicators" using that schematic.... we are told that the key part shown in the schematic wasn't even _the same type of transistor_ as the actual part used in the claimant's circuit, and not only that, it is not even likely that the "correct" part is being driven according to the "usual" methods for driving such a part!

I am flabbergasted.

Horizontal deflection transistors in my stash:
Philips: BU2520ax, BU2520af, BU2527ax, m9237
generic: 2sd1877, 2sc5440, 2sd1878, 2sd2634, 2sc5297, 2sd2539
ST: 2001HI

So tell me which one of these is "close enough" so that I won't be _wasting my time_ following WRONG SCHEMATICS trying to replicate BAD MEASUREMENTS.

(including bolding because... well, because YOU DID.)

TK

Regarding your post #991, I'm not sure from reading if your irritation is at me (kill the messenger) or EMJ. I think part of the problem is that there are two forums where I post, here and at OUR (as user ION).

At OUR, I directly asked Chris for a parts list and schematic that produced the scope shots he posted, because the scope shots did not make sense to me (as a professional designer of electronic power control circuits for over 40 years). It was at that point he revealed that he was using a deflection transistor directly driven from a Function Generator. Then the scope shots made sense. The transistor was starved for current, so went into current limit mode as I pointed out in the annotations of EMJ's scope shots.

I also posted what I could on this forum, but as usual there were very few replies or comments from the "good old boys" here. I sometimes wonder about that (but not much).

If EMJ were operating in professional mode, he would have produced exact test results that coincided with the exact schematic and exact parts list at the outset. We can agree on that.

I have often made many comments regarding unprofessional activity by members posting at OUR. One of my main complaints is that claimants never produce a document with all parts, schematics, scope shots circuit detailed explanation and claims in one place, not spread through numerous posts with changes added. Changes should create document revisions.

In the future, I hope it would be incumbent on EMJ (and other claimants) to provide such a document at the outset for reference and to avoid pages of confusion.

Regarding your last line:

So tell me which one of these is "close enough" so that I won't be _wasting my time_ following WRONG SCHEMATICS trying to replicate BAD MEASUREMENTS.

(including bolding because... well, because YOU DID.)

Since you were referencing my prior post *989 in your reply, I can only surmise the question is directed to/at me. Bad form to quote me in the post and then infer that I can answer this last question (with such rancor). Don't you think it is up to EMJ to answer that question? AFAIK he is using a NTE2331 equivalent to the 2SD1555.

[Brian516]

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