Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[Cap-Z-ro]

>Cap-Z - It seems that you have jumped in without bothering to read more than the first 3 and last 3 pages. Immaturity from you as well. You should have just left this alone, but it appears you are one that enjoys conflict.

Regards,
Brian

Brian, you are mostly accurate in your observations, but in life we all draw conclusions without reviewing previously history.

Notwithstanding that, if you go back in the thread, you would see that i only intervened when they started their usual attacks on presenters...its a long standing cycle of abuse here.

They constantly interfere with the process of discovery here...whether it is intentional or habitual dysfunction, or a mixture, its hard to say.

After some time here, i grew very tired and annoyed with them shutting people down and preventing any chance of accidental discovery in the course of fruitful discourse.

You don't have to be a historian to know that most meaningful discoveries are made by accident, while looking for something else.

Your perception that I actually enjoy conflict is entirely wrong...if I am to police this on going thuggery, you will have to pardon me if I try to entertain while i am about it.

Regards...

[MarkE]

Let's go back to a technical discussion. The insults have become boring and very childish.

Forest posted a link to the "economy transformer" (see attached drawing):
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg437773/#msg437773

and EMJunkie claimed that "many configurations work" (whatever that means):
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg437853/#msg437853

So, has anybody tried that and what could be expected? Any reliable info available?

Forest, do you know more?

EMJunkie, can you supply any useful information?

Greetings, Conrad

1. Nothing has been shown that suggests that connecting two transformer secondary windings in a bucking configuration does something special.  It's just two sources with parasitics connected to fight each other.  When the secondaries identically match in voltage and phase:  No voltage appears across, and no current and no power goes through the load connected between them.

2. Nothing has been shown that suggests inserting extra parasitics:  IE side by side windings with or without opposing winding directions does anything beneficial for efficiency. 

3. Nothing has been shown that suggests that winding two secondaries in opposing directions does anything beneficial for efficiency.

Absent an operating hypothesis and/or reliable experiment data that shows that a bucking coil arrangement provides benefits, the idea is dead in the water.

[Brian516]

Let's go back to a technical discussion. The insults have become boring and very childish.

Forest posted a link to the "economy transformer" (see attached drawing):
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg437773/#msg437773

and EMJunkie claimed that "many configurations work" (whatever that means):
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg437853/#msg437853

So, has anybody tried that and what could be expected? Any reliable info available?

Forest, do you know more?

EMJunkie, can you supply any useful information?

Greetings, Conrad

Amen to that.  There is always something to learn. 

There is a good amount of information missing from that diagram though....
For example, 0-100V of what? AC? DC? Pulsed DC - what waveform?? 
What is the core material?
We are back to the whole "nowhere near enough info for replication" situation, so if someone is to experiment with this device we either need to find more information on it or start swinging in the dark......

Have you found any more info to add to what was posted?  Who here can translate out any useful information from the videos, if there is any?
It seems that very, very few people who claim to have OU devices actually provide enough information for an actual replication. Either they don't have one, intend to profit off it and are only showing videos of it to get investors interested, are just plain selfish, orrrrr they got very close to OU and know it can be done and are trying to entice others to complete their work for them so they can then profit off of it...

If this economy transformer device actually worked, wouldn't there already be hundreds if not thousands of successful replications, since it's so simple? 

I think we should focus on what (I believe it was Matt Watts at OUR) said about reflecting the CEMF twice - once back to the transformer as it normally would, but before it affects the source, reflecting it back to the load.  This makes sense to me, since I believe that CEMF is something that can be made to work with/for you instead of against you, and would be much more beneficial to do so than to try to eliminate it altogether.  If you research the devices in the "free energy devices" papers, you will see a repetitive pattern.  They all use the CEMF to their advantage. The people that claim to have eliminated it in their devices haven't eliminated it at all, but it has combined with their EMF and is thus unrecognizable to them, but is still there, otherwise they wouldn't have OU... they would have max unity, nothing more.....   

Don't take my word for it. I could always be wrong just like anyone else.  Look for yourself with that idea in mind and see what you find.

Regards,
Brian

[MileHigh]

Brian:

There is always a root cause for a thread going haywire.  In this case Chris could not, an then refused to show any proof of his claim.  The whole basis for what goes on around here is to present a claim and then present your supporting data.  So you have this bizarre juxtaposition of a claimant refusing to do what a claimant is supposed to do.  That is the root cause for the problem.

MileHigh

[MarkE]

Nothing that EMJ showed lived up to the performance of much simpler circuit configurations.  Bucking has been used for many decades in order to trim line voltage matching in mains transformers such as handling 100V/120V/220V/240V with as few windings as possible:  a) 20V winding, b) 100V winding, c)120V winding

100V in:  a) bucks c), the combination operates in parallel w/ b).  100V || 100V.
120V in:  a) in series w/ b) operates in parallel w/ c).  120V || 120V.
220V in:  b) in series with c).  220V total.
240V in:  a) in series with b) in series w/ c).  240V total.

The high voltages demonstrated by TK on his analog scopes are the result of ordinary flyback action.  Similar but more efficient results lighting the neon bulbs can be had by losing both the secondary windings.

Beyond that, it is all down to things that go wrong with measurements.