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[a.king21]

Does anyone know how I can still read this thread but eliminate MarkE so that I don't have to read his trash?


This is supposed to be a site to encourage people to experiment, not to waste everyone's time on discouragement.
I don't care if experimenters get the wrong terms, as long as there is some new valuable insight.
We can always ask individuals  nicely and politely to clarify their comments.
One thing I am certain of is that MarkE will NEVER contribute anything positive to this thread.

[synchro1]

Quote from: Magluvin on Today at 05:35:13 PM

It isnt?  Maybe 0v has no potential power or energy, but when we have a potential voltage of any polarity, we can say that there is energy there with potential power if released into a circuit/load.

You could but you would be wrong.Quote

Whether that energy or power are defined in amounts or not, a voltage source is an energy source, no matter how small and has the ability to produce power, no matter how small.

Voltage is very different than a power source that approximates an ideal voltage source.  You would do well to learn the difference.Quote

Voltage may not be the definition of energy or power in electronics, but without it, there would be no energy or power in a circuit. It has a LOT to do with defining the energy and power of a circuit.

That is just nonsense.  A shopping cart has a lot to do with a typical supermarket.  It is not the supermarket.  Voltage is not energy.  Voltage is not power.Quote

If we have a cap charged to a particular voltage, that is energy stored. And is easily calculated and measured as to how much energy is there. So voltage, an electrical pressure, is the energy in that cap.

If we know the voltage on a linear capacitor with a known capacitance then we can calculate the work expended depositing that charge.  The voltage is not the work.Quote

To say a potential voltage is not energy of any sort doesnt sound correct. And it does have the potential for producing power, as determined by the circuit/load over time.

Voltage is not a measure of energy.  One can have circuit with a capacitor charged to 1000V that has much less energy than a different capacitor charged to 10V.  You are expressing grossly wrong ideas about very basic concepts.

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Mags







It isnt?  Maybe 0v has no potential power or energy, but when we have a potential voltage of any polarity, we can say that there is energy there with potential power if released into a circuit/load.

"You could but you would be wrong."

No. If we have potential voltage, what ever the amount, we can go to that potential and extract that energy. Energy is basically a potential to do work, depending on how you release it. Voltage potential is either stored energy or generated(generator, biological, solar,etc) So what ever the voltage potential value, it is the source that makes the circuits work. Otherwise there would be no energy for the circuit.




Whether that energy or power are defined in amounts or not, a voltage source is an energy source, no matter how small and has the ability to produce power, no matter how small.

"Voltage is very different than a power source that approximates an ideal voltage source.  You would do well to learn the difference."

Never the less, that voltage potential, what ever the source or amount, has potential to produce power to a load.




Voltage may not be the definition of energy or power in electronics, but without it, there would be no energy or power in a circuit. It has a LOT to do with defining the energy and power of a circuit.

"That is just nonsense.  A shopping cart has a lot to do with a typical supermarket.  It is not the supermarket.  Voltage is not energy.  Voltage is not power."

Talk about crappy arguments.  The supermarket can still do business without shopping carts. A circuit cannot work without voltage potential. 



If we have a cap charged to a particular voltage, that is energy. And is easily calculated and measured as to how much energy is there. So voltage, an electrical pressure, is the energy in that cap.

"If we know the voltage on a linear capacitor with a known capacitance then we can calculate the work expended depositing that charge.  The voltage is not the work."

If I have a tank of pressurized air and carry it around with me, I am carrying around a source of potential energy of which I can use how ever I wish, where ever I go. What is that energy that I would have access to, where ever I go?  It is a gas under pressure.  But when that pressure is depleted, I have no energy source left. No pressure, no energy source.
Where in my quote above do I say that voltage is the work??? Are you saying that stored energy is work?


To say a potential voltage is not energy of any sort doesnt sound correct. And it does have the potential for producing power, as determined by the circuit/load over time.

"Voltage is not a measure of energy.  One can have circuit with a capacitor charged to 1000V that has much less energy than a different capacitor charged to 10V.  You are expressing grossly wrong ideas about very basic concepts."

Where did I say that voltage is a measure of energy?    What Im saying is that a voltage potential is an energy source, no matter the value. My replying here is mostly due to you saying voltage is not energy. In basic terms, if we have a voltage potential, energy can be extracted from that, period. So we can look at a voltage potential and say yes, there is energy there.


lol Again. Where did I say voltage is a measure of energy? But there is energy there. What Ive been saying is that is were have a voltage potential, that potential can do work, what ever the amount. So that voltage potential is a source of energy.



The way you 'make' it sound is as if voltage potential is nothing and there is no energy there that can produce power. Voltage is not the shopping cart of the grocery store. Its the groceries that drive sales in the store, not the carts. Groceries are the energy source of the store, not the carts. Talk about ridiculous.  The missing shopping carts are just an inefficient part of the circuit, but the circuit still works none the less.

Get rid of the groceries, and the shopping carts are useless.

Mags

@Magluvin,

You got a "back to school ticket" from that impudent punk for "meaningless word salad". God help us!

[Pirate88179]

@Pirate88179,

Not if they produced photographs of your children at the playground! You meatheads need your noses wiped. Maybe the next victim shouldn't bring those things out to avoid being branded a nut case by you yes men.

I am not the meathead that believes in ridiculous conspiracy theories.  So now you are claiming that Tinman's children or family was threatened?
I believe Tinman posted just the other day that no threats were made.

So, who is right?  You, who were not there, or Tinman, who was there?

Bill

[MarkE]

Does anyone know how I can still read this thread but eliminate MarkE so that I don't have to read his trash?


This is supposed to be a site to encourage people to experiment, not to waste everyone's time on discouragement.
I don't care if experimenters get the wrong terms, as long as there is some new valuable insight.
We can always ask individuals  nicely and politely to clarify their comments.
One thing I am certain of is that MarkE will NEVER contribute anything positive to this thread.

Put me on your ignore list.  If you can't manage that simple task, then just read past my posts. 

[MarkE]

Quote from: Magluvin on Today at 05:35:13 PM

It isnt?  Maybe 0v has no potential power or energy, but when we have a potential voltage of any polarity, we can say that there is energy there with potential power if released into a circuit/load.

You could but you would be wrong.Quote

Whether that energy or power are defined in amounts or not, a voltage source is an energy source, no matter how small and has the ability to produce power, no matter how small.

Voltage is very different than a power source that approximates an ideal voltage source.  You would do well to learn the difference.Quote

Voltage may not be the definition of energy or power in electronics, but without it, there would be no energy or power in a circuit. It has a LOT to do with defining the energy and power of a circuit.

That is just nonsense.  A shopping cart has a lot to do with a typical supermarket.  It is not the supermarket.  Voltage is not energy.  Voltage is not power.Quote

If we have a cap charged to a particular voltage, that is energy stored. And is easily calculated and measured as to how much energy is there. So voltage, an electrical pressure, is the energy in that cap.

If we know the voltage on a linear capacitor with a known capacitance then we can calculate the work expended depositing that charge.  The voltage is not the work.Quote

To say a potential voltage is not energy of any sort doesnt sound correct. And it does have the potential for producing power, as determined by the circuit/load over time.

Voltage is not a measure of energy.  One can have circuit with a capacitor charged to 1000V that has much less energy than a different capacitor charged to 10V.  You are expressing grossly wrong ideas about very basic concepts.

Quote


Mags







It isnt?  Maybe 0v has no potential power or energy, but when we have a potential voltage of any polarity, we can say that there is energy there with potential power if released into a circuit/load.

"You could but you would be wrong."

No. If we have potential voltage, what ever the amount, we can go to that potential and extract that energy. Energy is basically a potential to do work, depending on how you release it. Voltage potential is either stored energy or generated(generator, biological, solar,etc) So what ever the voltage potential value, it is the source that makes the circuits work. Otherwise there would be no energy for the circuit.




Whether that energy or power are defined in amounts or not, a voltage source is an energy source, no matter how small and has the ability to produce power, no matter how small.

"Voltage is very different than a power source that approximates an ideal voltage source.  You would do well to learn the difference."

Never the less, that voltage potential, what ever the source or amount, has potential to produce power to a load.




Voltage may not be the definition of energy or power in electronics, but without it, there would be no energy or power in a circuit. It has a LOT to do with defining the energy and power of a circuit.

"That is just nonsense.  A shopping cart has a lot to do with a typical supermarket.  It is not the supermarket.  Voltage is not energy.  Voltage is not power."

Talk about crappy arguments.  The supermarket can still do business without shopping carts. A circuit cannot work without voltage potential. 



If we have a cap charged to a particular voltage, that is energy. And is easily calculated and measured as to how much energy is there. So voltage, an electrical pressure, is the energy in that cap.

"If we know the voltage on a linear capacitor with a known capacitance then we can calculate the work expended depositing that charge.  The voltage is not the work."

If I have a tank of pressurized air and carry it around with me, I am carrying around a source of potential energy of which I can use how ever I wish, where ever I go. What is that energy that I would have access to, where ever I go?  It is a gas under pressure.  But when that pressure is depleted, I have no energy source left. No pressure, no energy source.
Where in my quote above do I say that voltage is the work??? Are you saying that stored energy is work?


To say a potential voltage is not energy of any sort doesnt sound correct. And it does have the potential for producing power, as determined by the circuit/load over time.

"Voltage is not a measure of energy.  One can have circuit with a capacitor charged to 1000V that has much less energy than a different capacitor charged to 10V.  You are expressing grossly wrong ideas about very basic concepts."

Where did I say that voltage is a measure of energy?    What Im saying is that a voltage potential is an energy source, no matter the value. My replying here is mostly due to you saying voltage is not energy. In basic terms, if we have a voltage potential, energy can be extracted from that, period. So we can look at a voltage potential and say yes, there is energy there.


lol Again. Where did I say voltage is a measure of energy? But there is energy there. What Ive been saying is that is where ever have a voltage potential, that potential can do work, what ever the amount. So that voltage potential is a source of energy.



The way you 'make' it sound is as if voltage potential is nothing and there is no energy there that can produce power. Voltage is not the shopping cart of the grocery store. Its the groceries that drive sales in the store, not the carts. Groceries are the energy source of the store, not the carts. Talk about ridiculous.  The missing shopping carts are just an inefficient part of the circuit, but the circuit still works none the less.

Get rid of the groceries, and the shopping carts are useless.

Mags

You demonstrate yourself to be extremely confused as to very basic concepts.  There are many, many, many resources on the web that can help you learn at least enough of the basics so that these relationships do not confuse you and you do not grossly misinterpret what you observe.