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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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Spilled Fluids

Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2015, 06:44:03 AM
You missed the point altogether,but anyway-carry on.

I don't think so. The ball did not have the energy stored for the return bounce; that came from the compression at the bottom of the cycle. It was freshly generated at that time, not stored from the original lifting.

tinman

Quote from: Spilled Fluids on July 19, 2015, 06:47:54 AM
I don't think so. The ball did not have the energy stored for the return bounce; that came from the compression at the bottom of the cycle. It was freshly generated at that time, not stored from the original lifting.

So energy was freshly generated out of nothing/
Bullshit.Once the ball was raised from the ground to it's resting position the energy used to raise that ball is now stored as potential energy.Any raised mass has stored/potential energy.Once the ball starts to drop,that potential energy then becomes kinetic energy.
No energy is !freshly generated!,it is converted.

Spilled Fluids

Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2015, 06:38:56 AM
Anyway,for your entertainment SF,we will make the first test very simple.
So carry out the test(in stead of laughing),and explain to us-if not the PM's magnetic field that did more work against the spring,then what was it that did more work against the spring.
If the coil of the electromagnet remains the same,and the applied power to that coil remains the same,then the magnetic field produced by the coil also remains the same.

One complete cycle-power to coil off,spring in resting position.
Power on-electromagnet accelerates toward (test 1) ferromagnetic block,(test 2)PM,work done is recorded by way of LB's on scales.
Power is disconnected from coil,spring returns to starting position.<-- one full cycle.

You may use any material you like for test 1 in place of the ferrite block-->even the material the PM is made from.
But at the end of the test,you must come back and explain as to what it was(if not the PM)that done the extra work against the spring in test 2.

I thought we were going to have a real permanent magnet experiment here! Any work done with this device is purely by the electromagnet and the energy supplied to it.

So this experiment simply tells me that a PM does not do any work.

Don't you have any experiments with just the PM doing the work?

Spilled Fluids

Quote from: tinman on July 19, 2015, 06:59:14 AM
So energy was freshly generated out of nothing/
Bullshit.Once the ball was raised from the ground to it's resting position the energy used to raise that ball is now stored as potential energy.Any raised mass has stored/potential energy.Once the ball starts to drop,that potential energy then becomes kinetic energy.
No energy is !freshly generated!,it is converted.

No, energy is not generated out of nothing. The energy for the return bounce is generated by the compression of the ball not by the energy used to lift it.
The stored energy from the lift is only enough to return it to where it came from.

Again, gravity is a conservative force and does not create energy. That means the lifting of the ball did not store anymore energy than it took to lift it in the first place.

If your theory were correct then a rock or a marshmellow would both bounce back to almost the same height as they were dropped from.

tinman

Quote from: Spilled Fluids on July 19, 2015, 06:59:52 AM
I thought we were going to have a real permanent magnet experiment here! Any work done with this device is purely by the electromagnet and the energy supplied to it.

So this experiment simply tells me that a PM does not do any work.

Don't you have any experiments with just the PM doing the work?

Carry out the experiment,and prove to me that the PM did not add any work being done against the spring.
You have simply done what all other guru's do,and failed to provide evidence to the contrary.
If you gain say a 30% increase of force(per scale readings)with the PM in position,then that PM is what gave rise to the 30% increase of force against the spring. The spring now has a 30% increase in stored potential energy while the electromagnet is energized.When the electromagnet is disconnected,the electromagnet will be accelerated by the stored energy within that spring.
You know-mass/acceleration/distance.The mass(coil,formers and pendulum arm)remain the same in test 1 and 2,but the mass in test 2 is accelerated faster,and travels a longer distance when the coil is switched off-->even though the power input remains the same in both test<--providing you switch the coil on for the same amount of time in each test.