Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

[picowatt]

Ok,lets do it ass about.
We want to achieve say a 10 Lb pull force on that spring. With the ferrite block in place,we may need say 12v @ 2 amp's applied to our electromagnet to achieve such a force. We then replace that ferrite block with a PM of the same size,and we now find that we need only apply say 6V @ 1 amp to achieve the same pull force on that spring. So the work done against the spring is the same,but we need only apply half the energy to that electromagnet to achieve the same work done.

Using similar methods, what conclusions would be drawn regarding the ferrite block if experiment 1 used a block of wood and experiment 2 used a block of ferrite?

If a block of wood is too nonsensical, consider any material to which the EM is less attracted than ferrite.

Curiously, just food for thought (as I have my first coffee)...

PW

[gyulasun]

Neither this experiment nor the one TinMan describes demonstrate that PMs can do work.  Does a mirror do work when it reflects a light beam, as compared to a piece of glass painted flat black?  Does a ball bounce higher when dropped (from the same height) on concrete, or when dropped on soft sand?  You are merely  _redirecting_ some of the energy that you put into the electromagnet in the first place.

Well, regarding my test I referred to I think the increased height for the upper permanent magnet was possible due to the extra magnetic flux present in the full setup (I mean the flux from the permanent magnet placed under the coil in test 2).
However, I did not consider my input to the setup when I placed the permanent magnet under the coil, this is true and should be counted in the total input energy. The question is how my personal input with the placement of the magnet under the coil compares to the increased potential energy of the upper permanent magnet. As per conventional physics laws the increased potential energy received for the upper magnet barely covers my energy input while the DC input to the coil is maintained the same...

Gyula

[MarkE]

  I want to try and find out if anybody is good at physics.
What I want to know is with the Pluto mission would the clock
on board have"lost" time compared to here on earth.
If the thing went at 16.316 km/sec and there were 10 years
worth of seconds what would happen?
         John.

Yes, let's say that there was a Cs clock on the spacecraft it would be running slightly behind a twin Cs clock here on earth.

[MarkE]

Ok,lets do it ass about.
We want to achieve say a 10 Lb pull force on that spring. With the ferrite block in place,we may need say 12v @ 2 amp's applied to our electromagnet to achieve such a force. We then replace that ferrite block with a PM of the same size,and we now find that we need only apply say 6V @ 1 amp to achieve the same pull force on that spring. So the work done against the spring is the same,but we need only apply half the energy to that electromagnet to achieve the same work done.

You are counting power as energy.

[tinman]

There is law about conservation of energy.There is no law about conservation of work.

So true.
There is also no law stating the amount of work that can be done via different means simultaneously with a given energy input. It should say-every action can have equal and opposite reactions