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[picowatt]

Tinman,

To better understand what is going on with your xfmr, consider doing a sine sweep from 1KHz to 400KHz or so.

Tie one lead of all three windings together for a common ground point.  Probe the two secondaries using CH1 and CH2.  Drive the primary with the FG output.  Connect the scope's external trigger input across the primary as well.  Set the scope to trigger on its external trigger input at zero volts and on the rising edge.

You can temporarily move one scope probe from a secondary and connect it across the primary as well to verify that the scope is getting a good trigger and that your trigger time position marker is well aligned with the primary signal phase.

Use an FG output level, and any loading you decide to use, that keeps the xfmr comfortably away from saturation or non-linear operation (possible try with/without a load and then with each sec individually loaded).

Using the external trigger input as described above will allow you to see/watch the phase relationship of both secondaries with respect to the primary's phase (i.e., this provides a limited function third channel).

PW

(Lest anyone suggest it, I did consider using the FG trigger out to feed the scope's ext trigger in.  However, the FG's internal 50R output resistor in concert with the primary's inductance and capacitance will likely introduce a phase shift that would not be visible at the FG's trigger out)   

[picowatt]

An FYI. I will be limiting my posts from this point forward (in both forums).

Sorry to hear this.  Is there any particular reason for this that you can or care to share?

PW

[poynt99]

Sorry to hear this.  Is there any particular reason for this that you can or care to share?

PW

Indeed,

Time on this world is short, and a good portion of my time on these forums has not been spent wisely.

[Drak]

Regarding your other post, turns ratios only hold when the turns are on the same relative position of the core. Clearly the primary and secondary of your transformer are not and therefore the turns ratio rule does not apply.

This I did not know. I guess you learn something new everyday. If that is true then I apologize to MileHigh. Will you post a link to a reference for this statement?

[tinman]

Brad, I will respond but this is a quickie response for right now.

  This will completely throw the turns ratio out of whack and the only way to figure out what is going on is to roll up your shirtsleeves and test your device on your bench and figure it all out.  It's completely baffling to me that you would ignore these facts and just blindly pretend that your "1:1 ratio" in your device is the same as a 1:1 ratio in a standard transformer. 

MH
If this is the best current theory(be it yours or known),has to offer,then i will stick to my own theories ATM,as the one you just stated is not only wrong,but i am surprised that you overlooked the error in such a theory. But as it is obvious that you have,then i will show you where the error is.

In your case you have this mix of flux cancellation and addition and you have two coaxial cores where the inner secondary will generate flux that flows in opposite directions in the two cores.

Unfortunately you overlooked one large fact with this theory MH,that proves this not to be the case.
In order for the secondary to generate a flux that flows in opposite directions in the two core's,a current must first be flowing through that secondary. As we are measuring open coil voltages,there will be no current flowing through the secondary-and thus there will be no flux flowing in opposite directions in the two core's. I will also mention that due to the fact that there were gaps between the windings on the inner secondary,that at least half of the core material between the inner core and outer core would have merged as one.

I haven't seen you account for the flux cancellation and addition in the two cores by virtue of the fact that the inner secondary is sandwiched between two coaxial cores.

See above.

Likewise, how can you possibly state that the turns ratio is 1:1 when you know that applies to a conventional transformer where the 100% of the flux produced by the primary is seen by the secondary and there is one core.  In your case you have this mix of flux cancellation and addition and you have two coaxial cores where the inner secondary will generate flux that flows in opposite directions in the two cores.

As i stated above,the inner secondary will not be generating flux that flows in opposite directions when the coil voltage is measured in an open situation,nor when the coil is loaded,and dose have current flowing through it.

It just makes no sense at all and if you are hanging on this "fact" then you are failing to apply basic magnetic flux and transformer principles that you are supposed to know and understand by now.

The opposite is true MH-i have done nothing but put together a theory that work's-unlike yours that dose not.

Lets use the current understanding that most of you wish to stick with,and that being that it is the E field that induces an EMF across the secondary. Now,if as you say is true,and we have flux flowing in one direction in(what we will call)one core,and in the other direction in the other core,then that means that the direction of flow of the E field around the outside of the inner winding must be opposite to the flow direction of the E field on the inside of the inner windings. This would result in a complete cancellation ,and a 0 voltage across that coil,as the B field is always 90* to that of the E field. If we do load the inner secondary,and a current starts to flow through that secondary,and the E field flow is opposite that of the current flow around that secondary,then how can you have the E field rotating around the outside of coil in one direction,and rotating around in the opposite direction on the inside of that coil?.

So i leave you this to think about.
You know what reluctance is,so apply it to this situation that exist in the HTT.
In order to get the magnetic domains in a magnetic material to switch faster (increase flux velocity) what must we do?
Yes,we must increase the magnetic field strength being provided by the inducer<-- in a normal situation. But do we have to do that in the case of the HTT?-->no,we do not,as it is already done as a result of the configuration of the transformer it self. You have this situation with the HTT-->the B field is induced by the current flow through the primary,and this B field enters the outside of the core,and converges toward the center of the core-->it dose not just appear throughout the core simultaneously. This B field wave is concentrated more and more the closer it gets to it's converging point at the center of the core,where both the field strength and flux density is at it's highest. This higher more concentrated  field strength is what switches the magnetic domains in and around the inner secondary much faster than those near the outer edge of the core,and so the flux velocity is much higher throughout the inner secondary than it is at the outer secondary,but where as the rate of change of the magnetic field it self remains the same between the inner and outer secondary-and thus the two remain in phase.

So MH,my theory fits,while yours dose not.