Open Systems

[LibreEnergia]

The word !overunity! is a nonsense word,and used by those who do not understand the source. In my last test,i show that work has indeed been done by the flowing gas in the way of drawing in excess energy from the enviroment. The end result is that we end up with a higher energy state than we started with within the two vessel's that can perform usful work. Done the way i have done it shows that the pressurised gas in tank A can do work (via the venturi effect)without loosing any of it's energy-->in fact,the opposite applies,in that the energy state of the gas increases because the mass of gas increases. The venturi will continue to draw in gas from the enviroment until tank B reaches a pressure of 5.2psi. The check valve then closes so as no gas can escape the system. At the end of the cycle,we have an increase in gas volume,and thus,an increase in pressure which results in a higher energy state to that of which we started with.

Your claims would mean either a first or second law violation and that to me describes what most people mean as 'over-unity'.

This experiment follows well established thermodynamic principles. you won't find any 'excess energy' that is available to do  work.

[tinman]

Your claims would mean either a first or second law violation and that to me describes what most people mean as 'over-unity'.

This experiment follows well established thermodynamic principles. you won't find any 'excess energy' that is available to do  work.

We have broken no laws at all, and the process used to increase the end energy avaliable stored in both tanks was done using an age old proven effect. There are facts that cannot be disputed here. The fact that the gas mass was increased in the system as a whole proves that it works.
If you add gas mass to the system during gas transfer, then tank 1s pressure dose not drop as low as it would otherwise. This means that the temperature also dose not drop as low as it would otherwise.
Tank Bs pressure also is raised to that of what it would be otherwise. This also means a higher end temperature.
Im sorry LE, but these facts are undisputable.
In my simple version, I have raised the avaliable energy by 10%, without breaking any laws.

[MarkE]

We have broken no laws at all, and the process used to increase the end energy avaliable stored in both tanks was done using an age old proven effect. There are facts that cannot be disputed here. The fact that the gas mass was increased in the system as a whole proves that it works.
If you add gas mass to the system during gas transfer, then tank 1s pressure dose not drop as low as it would otherwise. This means that the temperature also dose not drop as low as it would otherwise.
Tank Bs pressure also is raised to that of what it would be otherwise. This also means a higher end temperature.
Im sorry LE, but these facts are undisputable.
In my simple version, I have raised the avaliable energy by 10%, without breaking any laws.

It's true you haven't broken any laws.  LE is saying and I agree that the premise you started with:  That you are going to get free work from your ram courtesy of the surrounding atmosphere will not fly.

What you have demonstrated so far is that you can relax the system and in the course of doing so transfer some energy from the surrounding atmosphere into the tanks.  If you want to show that you can leverage the underlying behaviors to cyclically perform useful work at no energy cost to the "closed system", then you need to both:  Get back to your starting state, and perform some useful work that exceeds the work that you apply getting back to your starting state.

[LibreEnergia]

The word !overunity! is a nonsense word,and used by those who do not understand the source. In my last test,i show that work has indeed been done by the flowing gas in the way of drawing in excess energy from the enviroment. The end result is that we end up with a higher energy state than we started with within the two vessel's that can perform usful work. Done the way i have done it shows that the pressurised gas in tank A can do work (via the venturi effect)without loosing any of it's energy-->in fact,the opposite applies,in that the energy state of the gas increases because the mass of gas increases. The venturi will continue to draw in gas from the enviroment until tank B reaches a pressure of 5.2psi. The check valve then closes so as no gas can escape the system. At the end of the cycle,we have an increase in gas volume,and thus,an increase in pressure which results in a higher energy state to that of which we started with.

If you look at your set up you will see it is not dissimilar to the operation of a heat pump. Dropping the pressure of a working fluid in the venturi allows energy to enter the system.

However, can you then use that 'extra' energy? To extract net useful work from it you HAVE to be able to cycle the system back to its original state.  You'll find the 2nd law unchallenged here. The amount of energy required to do that  is always more than the energy that entered the system.

[Pirate88179]

What if Tinman placed a small turbine (not unlike the type used on your faucet that lights leds) between the tanks?  Then, as the air transfers, it will perform some work?  The air is flowing anyway and I doubt that this small device would inhibit that flow to any appreciable amount.

Just thinking out loud here.

Bill