WTO tariff on preditory pricing of crude oil.

[synchro1]

You should really study history more.  The west attacked Iraq because Iraq invaded Kuwait, with whom the US had a treaty to protect them.  We (The US) kicked their butts back to Iraq and Iraq signed a peace treaty which was the only reason Schwartzcoff did not go into Baghdad back then.  Part of the treaty they signed established a NO FLY zone as part of the agreement.  They also said, as part of the agreement, that we could send in nuclear inspectors.  They agreed to all of this..in writing.

Then, after over 900 missiles were fired at our planes patrolling the no fly zone, and Iraq having kicked out all inspectors, Bush went to the UN 17 times to get a resolution.  17 times....not once or twice.  After finally getting the resolution, we did indeed invade Iraq.  Congress all voted for this war effort as well.

So, I disagree with your premise of invading simply to adjust the price of oil.  It is not factual.

Picture, after Japan signed the WWII peace agreements and then a few years later, they opened fire on US ships in their harbor.  Would you not think that the war would be back on again?  Of course it would.  This is exactly what happened to Iraq except, Bush took too long (In my opinion) asking Congress and the UN (who the hell is the UN anyway?) for permission.

So you think Iraq shooting at our planes was not a violation of the peace treaty and NOT an act of war?  One time would have been enough for me but, we waited until over 900 missiles were fired at our planes.

Bill

@Pirate88179,

Your account's pretty accurate with the exception of one major feature; Iraq was strapped with an embargo for over a decade, that limited exports to milk for children. The regime change was aimed at eliminating the export embargo quotas. I remember Donald  Rumsfeld greedily running his hands over fists forcasting "Windfall" profits.

[Pirate88179]

@Pirate88179,

Your account's pretty accurate with the exception of one major feature; Iraq was strapped with an embargo for over a decade, that limited exports to milk for children. The regime change was aimed at eliminating the export embargo quotas. I remember Donald  Rumsfeld greedily running his hands over fists forcasting "Windfall" profits.

OK, but wasn't the embargo because he kicked the chemical weapons inspectors out back then?  (I am not totally sure of this)  I think that was the case.  It was a UN embargo and not one made by the US.  I know we were trying to initiate a regime change for the good of the region due to Saddam's threats to use chemical weapons...again.  (He had recently gassed the Kurds.)  This is why I never understood folks that said he had no weapons of mass destruction...he had them because he used them.  But, if I remember this correctly, the US sold him those weapons back in the days when he was allied with the US.  Another reason we knew he had them.  (In retrospect, not a good move)

Bill

[synchro1]

OK, but wasn't the embargo because he kicked the chemical weapons inspectors out back then?  (I am not totally sure of this)  I think that was the case.  It was a UN embargo and not one made by the US.  I know we were trying to initiate a regime change for the good of the region due to Saddam's threats to use chemical weapons...again.  (He had recently gassed the Kurds.)  This is why I never understood folks that said he had no weapons of mass destruction...he had them because he used them.  But, if I remember this correctly, the US sold him those weapons back in the days when he was allied with the US.  Another reason we knew he had them.  (In retrospect, not a good move)

Bill

@Pirate88179,

Quote from Wikipedia:

"The original stated purposes of the sanctions were to compel Iraq to withdraw from Kuwait, to pay reparations, and to disclose and eliminate any weapons of mass destruction.

"Initially the UN Security Council imposed stringent economic sanctions on Iraq by adopting and enforcing United Nations Security Council Resolution 661. After the end of the 1991 Persian Gulf War, those sanctions were extended and elaborated on, including linkage to removal of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), by Resolution 687. The sanctions banned all trade and financial resources except for medicine and "in humanitarian circumstances" foodstuffs, whose import into Iraq was tightly regulated".

The war was waged largely to free the Iraqi peole of these UN sanctions. My point is that the WTO needs to adopt regulations to control the amount of oil each nation can export and to fix a fair price for it. World trade is in it's infancy. Econoic Darwinisem should be evolved into a civilized format where Law and Order mitigate the B.C. survival of the fittest approach. We need rules to replace the "Law of the Jungle".

[profitis]

Synchro1:  '
Here's a video of the "Tsar Bomba" the largest thermonuclear weapon ever detonated. The mushroom cloud reaches a height 8 times the height of Mt. Everest:'


Me: love the videos of that explosion.they actually had originaly wanted to detonate a 100megaton weapon for show but realised the airplane wouldn't be able to escape such a blast.the airplane that did drop tsar bomba only just managed to escape and was alsmost crashed due to drop in air pressure after the blastwave hit em.57megatons tnt.70% of blast was from fusion and 30% from fission

[Pirate88179]

One of those videos I watched of that tsar bomb nuke exploding looked really weird.  It developed this double cloud ring that surrounded the blast  and moved upward.  I can understand a single ring, most blasts I have seen have them...but, I wonder what causes that double ring?

Bill