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Water enhanced fuel system's.

Started by tinman, March 28, 2015, 01:34:54 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: tinman on March 28, 2015, 07:41:08 AM
I have teamed up with a friend of mine that is an industrial chemist. We have developed a catalyst that allows us to use water to enhance fuel economy up to 50% per volume of fuel. The fuel,catalyst,water ratio will be lifted to 40% fuel,10% catalyst,and 50% water. The catalyst cost about $1.00 a ltr to produce,and only a 10% volume need be used per total volume of liquid fuel.
OK so you want to perform some chemical reaction betwee the water and the gasoline.

From my viewpoint there may be ways to save fuel using water injection to form steam that reduces the effective volume of the fuel-air charge.  That would theoretically allow reduced fuel charge under typical load while still maintaining a stoichiometric ratio high enough to burn. But I think realizing that would be mechanically quite complicated.  The other thing that water injection could do is increase the thermal mass removed each cycle thus keeping the engine cooler at the start of each power stroke and thereby increasing the Carnot limit for the engine.  Neither of those ideas involve trying to react water with the gasoline.  Other ideas that have been tried have been to try and reform some of the gasoline into syngas prior to ignition.  H2 and CO both support leaner burns that pentane.  An initially promising reformer a few years ago got dropped when trial testing ended up with a lot of soot.

Do you have access to a dynamometer to evaluate your results?

gotoluc

Quote from: MarkE on March 28, 2015, 01:28:31 PM
Do you have access to a dynamometer to evaluate your results?

I think the "starter generator" would serve well as a dynamometer. First start the engine on gasoline only and connect a fixed resistive load to the generator and calculate how many cc of gasoline is consumed in 30 minutes, then repeat the test with the gasoline water mixture using the same load and time. If there is less gasoline used in the gasoline water mix, that should represents the % of savings. It not need to be anymore complicated then that.

Luc

MarkE

Quote from: gotoluc on March 28, 2015, 01:44:49 PM
I think the "starter generator" would serve well as a dynamometer. First start the engine on gasoline only and connect a fixed resistive load to the generator and calculate how many cc of gasoline is consumed in 30 minutes, then repeat the test with the gasoline water mixture using the same load and time. If there is less gasoline used in the gasoline water mix, that should represents the % of savings. It not need to be anymore complicated then that.

Luc
One would need an adjustable or multiple resistor loads in order to find out whether improvements were reached only under a single condition.  Then that performance can be compared to the specific fuel consumption for commonly available gen sets. You don't want to fall in the trap of making a one-off incrementally more efficient under some condition and then conclude that the changes lead to something better than you can already buy.  The starter/generator is OK if it is an efficient unit, or at least if the efficiency is known accurately.  If it is inefficient and the efficiency is not known then the test results will look artificially worse than they really are.

ramset

Hmmm
if we were talking standard industry advances in ICE efficiency .000001 etc
I could see a problem ,

here the claim is sooo great that it could effectively be vetted with everything Brad has in the Video.[a motor driving a "loaded" generator and a clock]
he is quite familiar with these test methods.



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tinman

Have the engine running,but have a couple of problems-one maybe major.
1st-when i fill the water jacket with water,it gets sucked into the cylinder.
2nd-the governing system broke while running-can be fixed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxR0tZ2s6tM