Slowing or reversing a KWH meter.

[pomodoro]

Can a device plugged into the mains, slow or even reverse the rotation of the disk in the power meter to your house?  A passive device that is, not a generator, solar panel etc etc.  I heard such circuits exist but could never figure one out.

[mscoffman]

Can a device plugged into the mains, slow or even reverse the rotation of the disk in the power meter to your house?  A passive device that is, not a generator, solar panel etc etc.  I heard such circuits exist but could never figure one out.

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Yes, That is what the following thread is about.

http://www.overunity.com/14607/cop-20-00-2000-times-reactive-power-energy-source-generator/

Obviously, it is very mathematics intensive.

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It turns out that all instruments have limited electronic bandwidth. If you can design a signal generator that has a higher bandwidth
than the instrument, then you can *always* fool the instrument into giving erroneous readings of whatever you want. You do this by
synthesizing the signal you want the instrument to see, in it's input leads.

The electromechanical utility meter was a good example of this because it's bandwidth response was limited by it's electromagnetic
motor characteristics. One reason for pushing for a more modern all electronic utility meter is that the bandwidth can be raised
to listen to much higher frequencies locally and special routines could be added to detect local funny business if necessary.

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Rather than rotating the meter backwards which is rather obvious, they strive to have the meter read significantly less than what
is actually being taken. So then they can use or resell the excess taken in a more legitimate fashion.

[Magluvin]

Can a device plugged into the mains, slow or even reverse the rotation of the disk in the power meter to your house?  A passive device that is, not a generator, solar panel etc etc.  I heard such circuits exist but could never figure one out.

Yeah, I would stay away from that sort of idea. The new digital meters send info back to base on usage. From what I have read, these meters can tell if you are using a pc, or a laptop, or even how many.

Read an article recently about phone chargers. Some are now being manufactured with key loggers that pick up wireless keyboards.

Now, if there are key loggers in some phone chargers, how is that info extracted? By someone outside the house with a receiver? Is it your wonderful, 'smart' cell phone?  Or is it your smart meter??? 

The depths that they will go to to get your info.


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[Pirate88179]

I don't have a smart meter over here.  Years ago, I saw some videos on youtube that demonstrated how to slow the meter when spinning using very strong neos.  My understanding is that aluminum disk turns by diamagnetic action, or something like that.  Using 2 very strong (very, very strong) large neos I was able to duplicate what was shown in the video for a few seconds purely for scientific testing purposes.

I do not recommend that anyone else try this at home as it would be stealing.

As a matter of fact, possibly I dreamed that I did this and never did actually try it.  Possibly, I only thought about trying it.

Bill

[MarkE]

A lot of smart meters use Rogowski air coils that are unaffected by bias.  Others use regular current transformers which can be biased into saturation.  It is a pretty safe bet that if one's reported power consumption takes a sudden and protracted drop that the utility will eventually roll a truck to find out why.  When the technician's screwdriver flies out of his hand to the neo magnet used to cheat the meter it is not going to be pleasant for the homeowner.