A possible violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy

[Zetetic]

ayeaye,


Will the skateboarder in the lower half of the drawing in Reply #26 move to the left? 



Thanks,


- Zet

[ayeaye]

I don't know. If it has some speed then it moves in the direction of that speed. If it has no speed then it stands still.

[Zetetic]

ayeaye,


"If it has no speed then it stands still." – ayeaye

Okay.

Cool.

We have found our point of disagreement.  Cool.

I say that gravity is "omnidirectional."  And so, I say that the greater gravitational field on the left will pull the skateboarder (who starts out at a stop) to the left.

You, apparently, do not believe gravity is omnidirectional.  And you seem to think that gravity only pulls vertically (perhaps vertically to the surface of the body, I'm not sure exactly what you're thinking).

Okay.  Cool.

I should have asked more questions at the start.  If we had figured out this difference between us, then all of my last several long winded post could have been avoided.  I suppose now they are all moot.  I was responding to your assertions with the idea that you and I both believed in an omnidirectional nature of gravity.

So, due to our different understandings of the nature of gravity, you think the weighted wheel design will produce extra energy while I think it will not.

We can agree to disagree.

Now, I would like to get back to your 4/4, but first ...

This is a thread about (or supposed to be about) my argument against (... hopefully my disproof of ...) the Law of Conservation of Energy (linked to in the OP).

We have talked a little about this Law here and there in the last few posts.

Any additional ideas on what I've said about that?

Please let me know!


- Zet

[ayeaye]

Gravity always pulls down to the center of mass of the body. If the body is large, something like Earth, then we can consider that the field lines of the gravitational field are parallel, this i have already said. This is how "omnidirectional" gravity is, to the center of Earth from Paris or New York, the direction is quite different.

But Ok, maybe you thought how the real gravitational anomalies may occur, and i thought something fictional just to explain an asymmetric field. Which had to be evident because i drew all field lines vertical. In the reality the gravitational anomalies are caused by higher densities somewhere inside the body, there the transition from lower to higher gravity is most likely smooth, and the field lines may also be slightly tilted. Whether energy can be extracted from that, i don't know, likely not with that wheel, yet there may be ways how this is possible.

I gave that example of gravity just to explain things, again i didn't want to cause confusion. I did all i could do, i tried to explain as painstakingly as possible.

[Zetetic]

If I'm in my backyard standing still on my stake board in the middle of horizontal part of my ramp, I am being pulled directly down by the gravity beneath me and I am also being pulled to the North due to the gravity there and I am being pulled to the South due to the gravity there.

Since, the force of gravity is, in fact, the same (nearly the same) in all part of my backyard, I will stay in place.

It's not that I stay in place because the only gravity that is affecting me is that which is directly below me and pulling me straight down.  It's that the gravity that is pulling me to the one side is equal (nearly equal) to the gravity pulling me to the other side.

And you and I seem to disagree.  And I'm okay with that ... I hope you are too.

And so, when we introduced the concept (the fictional concept for the sake of a thought experiment) that the gravity at the North end of my back yard is significantly stronger than the gravity at the South end of my back yard, given my understanding of gravity and its omnidirectional nature, that leads me to say that, now, in this situation I will be pulled to the North.

That's it.

You seem to think that the greater gravity at the North will only pull more greatly downward on things directly above it at the North end.

So ... we disagree ...

I am eager to move on from this and to your idea in the first drawing in your last post (the idea that seems to lead to your 4/4 design).

But, before we do that, any additional thoughts about what I've said (and what we have seemed to disagree about) regarding the Law of Conservation of Energy and its relation to OU?



Cheers!

- Zet